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Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:37 pm to
Posted by DabosDynasty
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:37 pm to


Polands military rise being paired with its economic rise
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:04 pm to
There’s not a chance in hell I’m standing anywhere near that mortar when they drop one of those rusted out rounds in the tube.
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:16 pm to
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If it were rigged to go by them, wouldn’t it all basically go in sync?


Mass demoloitions are hard enough to get sequentially right for structural engineers in much less challenging conditions; a universal simultaneous detonation all throughout a massive facility seems a little far fetched.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:36 pm to
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Mass demoloitions are hard enough to get sequentially right for structural engineers in much less challenging conditions; a universal simultaneous detonation all throughout a massive facility seems a little far fetched.

Yep. They're overselling the consequences by a wide margin.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:52 pm to
Probably true, but if I lived next door, I’d probably say the same. But, I would guess there would be explosions for 2 days.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3786 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:54 pm to
ISW Update

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Russian officials are promoting an information operation that falsely frames Russia’s war in Ukraine as existential to the continued existence of the Russian Federation. In an interview with TV channel Rossiya-1 on February 26, Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that he does not know if "such an ethnic group as the Russian people can survive in the form in which it exists today" if the West succeeds in "destroying the Russian Federation and establishing control over its fragments."[1] Putin accused the collective West of already having plans "set out on paper" for the destruction of the Russian Federation in its current form.[2] Putin also remarked that Russia had to suspend its participation in the START treaty in order to ensure its strategic stability and security in the face of a concerted Western effort to use START to cripple Russia’s strategic prospects.[3]

Putin began to set conditions for the perpetuation of this information operation in his speech to the Federal Assembly on February 21, where he blamed the collective West for using the war in Ukraine to threaten the existence of the Russian Federation.[4] Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev invoked similarly existential sentiments in an essay entitled "Points of No Return" published on February 27 in which he accused the West of fueling the current situation in Ukraine since the fall of the Soviet Union and concluded that "the calm power of our great country and the authority of its partners are the key to preserving the future of our entire world."


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Russian officials continue to engage in information operations in an attempt to discourage the Western provision of military aid to Ukraine. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu stated during a TV interview with Rossiya-1 on February 26 that the types of weapons that the West decides to provide to Ukraine will determine how far Russian troops will need to "push the threat away" from Russian borders.[6] Putin made a similar statement in his February 21 address to the Federal Assembly


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Ukrainian military officials continue to respond to Western concerns about Ukrainian capabilities to liberate Ukrainian people and land and suggest that Ukrainian forces are preparing for a spring counteroffensive in southern Ukraine. Ukrainian Deputy Head of the Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Vadim Skibitskyi stated on February 26 that Ukrainian forces will be ready for a counteroffensive in spring 2023 and that one Ukrainian strategic goal is to split the Russian frontline between Crimea and mainland Russia. Skibitskyi noted that the supply of Western military aid is one decisive factor in determining the timing of a Ukrainian counteroffensive. Western officials and news outlets have recently expressed a degree of doubt about Ukrainian forces’ ability to conduct a counteroffensive and the West’s ability to provide long-term military aid to Ukraine, as ISW has previously reported


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A reportedly captured Russian military manual suggests that Russian forces are implementing new assault tactics to compensate for current combat power limitations in response to continued offensive failures. A Ukrainian reserve officer posted a picture on February 26 reportedly of a captured Russian manual that details the tactics of a newly minted "assault detachment," which is a battalion-sized element that has been optimized for frontal assaults on fortified areas.[11] The assault detachment formation reportedly fields six T-72 main battle tanks, 12 infantry fighting vehicles, and a collection of man-portable thermobaric rocket launchers, anti-tank guided missile systems, towed artillery, and self-propelled mortars.[12] The assault detachment appears to be comprised of three assault companies and a tank section.[13] Each assault company has a command element, two assault "platoons" (at far below normal platoon strength), a UAV team, an armored fighting vehicle (AFV) group, a fire support platoon and an artillery support platoon, a reserve section, and a medevac section. Each company fields one tank and four BMP/BMD-2 infantry fighting vehicles, with anti-tank launchers, heavy machine guns, and mortars. The Ukrainian reserve officer remarked that assault "platoons" of 12 to 15 people, divided into tactical groups of three people, are the formation’s primary maneuver elements.[14] The assault detachment reportedly conducts assaults within less than a minute of the time when artillery fire begins on open fortified positions, with the platoon commander controlling mortar fire.


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The manual suggests that Russian forces are trying to adapt maneuver forces into smaller and more agile military formations than were employed earlier in the war. The Ukrainian reserve officer noted that this new tactical formation suggests that Russian forces have replaced the defunct battalion tactical group (BTG) with these smaller and more agile maneuver formations. The manual suggests that Russian forces are using T-72 tanks for direct fire support from the rear rather than as integral parts of a combined arms team. The increased reliance on dismounted infantry and the relegation of tanks to fire support from the rear indicates that Russian military leadership is prioritizing protecting main battle tanks over protecting infantry, which is reflective of recent reports of massive equipment losses that Russian armor units sustained over the first year of the war.[15] The manual indicates that the Russian military is resorting to employing a form of simplified combined arms warfare that has likely been pared down to compensate for the overall degradation of Russian manpower and equipment capacity and which is easier for inexperienced and untrained mobilized personnel slotted into such detachments to employ.


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The tactics of the assault detachment additionally suggest that the Russian military may be attempting to institutionalize practices used to marginal tactical effect by the Wagner Group in Bakhmut. The Ukrainian reserve officer suggested that this new formation is likely partially influenced by Wagner Group operations around Bakhmut.[16] ISW has previously reported on the fact that Wagner has largely relied on squad-sized frontal assaults, which have decreased the reliance on massed fires as Russian artillery and equipment stocks have dwindled.[17] The Wagner Group’s highly attritional offensive on Bakhmut has failed to gain operationally significant ground, so the institutionalization of elements of Wagner’s tactics will likely further normalize attritional frontal assaults. Such tactics are likely to waste Russian combat power and not effectively counter conventional Ukrainian battalions and brigades. Assault detachments may be able to make tactical gains at cost due to their simplicity but will likely culminate rapidly due to their small size and attritional tactics. Russian forces are unlikely to make operationally significant breakthroughs rapidly with this formation.


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US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director William Burns stated on February 25 that the CIA is confident that Chinese leadership is considering the provision of lethal equipment to Russia but has not made a final decision.[18] In an interview with CBS News, Burns stated that the CIA has not seen evidence of Chinese shipments of lethal equipment to Russia. Burns also stated that the US government chose to make the CIA’s assessment public in order to deter China from sending lethal weapons to Russia.


Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3786 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:55 pm to
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Key Takeaways

Russian officials are promoting an information operation that falsely frames Russia’s war in Ukraine as existential to the continued existence of the Russian Federation.

Russian officials continue to conduct information operations in an attempt to discourage the Western provision of military aid to Ukraine.

Ukrainian military officials continue to respond to Western concerns over Ukrainian capabilities and suggest that Ukrainian forces are preparing for a spring counteroffensive in southern Ukraine.

A reportedly captured Russian military manual suggests that Russian forces are implementing new assault tactics to compensate for the current limitations on combat capability in light of continued offensive failures.

The manual suggests that Russian forces are trying to adopt smaller and more agile combined arms formations than were employed earlier in the war.

The tactics of the assault detachment additionally suggest that the Russian military may be attempting to institutionalize tactics used to marginal tactical effect by the Wagner Group in Bakhmut.

US Central Intelligence Director William Burns stated on February 25 that the CIA is confident that Chinese leadership is considering the provision of lethal equipment to Russia but has not made a final decision or provided lethal aid to Russia.

Ukrainian officials stated that Russian forces have been concentrating and escalating operations along the Luhansk Oblast front line.

Russian forces continued to conduct ground attacks northwest of Svatove and near Kreminna.

Russian forces continued to conduct ground attacks across the Donetsk Oblast front line, and Russian sources widely claimed that Wagner Group forces made territorial gains north of Bakhmut.

Ukrainian officials reported that Russian forces continue to focus on establishing defensive fortifications in east (left) bank Kherson Oblast and Crimea.

Russian forces are continuing to expend their already limited stocks of precision munitions.

Russian officials announced that all social support measures will enter into force in occupied territories on March 1.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
26047 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 9:16 pm to
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Mass demoloitions are hard enough to get sequentially right for structural engineers in much less challenging conditions; a universal simultaneous detonation all throughout a massive facility seems a little far fetched.


Sequential would require some calculations but simultaneous with electric blasting caps wouldn't be much of a deal at all, at least if you consider simultaneous as ~300 million meters per second simultaneous. Even using a ring main with det cord a single blasting cap would cause all the charges to go off extremely close together. Det cord explodes at a rate of "only" 21k feet per second so if you had a really huge facility there would be some delay at the farthest points from the initial blasting cap.

I don't think it is nearly as apocalyptic as described even in perfect conditions. A 100Kt nuclear bomb in an airburst detonation is listed at 1.9km blast radius and 1Mt at 8.6km.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 9:42 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 9:40 pm to
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MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday bestowed a state decoration on Steven Seagal, the American action-movie actor who also holds Russian citizenship.

The awarding of the Order of Friendship was announced on the Russian government’s internet portal. The order recognizes people who Russia considers to have contributed to bettering international relations.

Seagal was a vocal supporter of Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and last year visited the Russian-held Ukrainian town of Olenivka where dozens of Ukrainian prisoners of war were reportedly killed in an attack for which Russia and Ukraine have blamed each other.

Seagal was named in 2018 as a Russian Foreign Ministry humanitarian envoy to the United States and Japan.




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Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21576 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 9:41 pm to
Some lower ranking Ukrainian official should publicly suggest they meet for peace talks in one of the Russian towns that China is “claiming to be Chinese “. He could say “on neutral ground in the Chinese city of. “. Just for laughs and pointing out that China is claiming Russia land.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:00 pm to
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Some lower ranking Ukrainian official should publicly suggest they meet for peace talks in one of the Russian towns that China is “claiming to be Chinese “. He could say “on neutral ground in the Chinese city of. “. Just for laughs and pointing out that China is claiming Russia land.

Problem with that is he'd be giving credence to historical ownership. Not a smart move.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:03 pm to
Metry’s finest
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:05 pm to
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Sequential would require some calculations but simultaneous with electric blasting caps wouldn't be much of a deal at all, at least if you consider simultaneous as ~300 million meters per second simultaneous. Even using a ring main with det cord a single blasting cap would cause all the charges to go off extremely close together. Det cord explodes at a rate of "only" 21k feet per second so if you had a really huge facility there would be some delay at the farthest points from the initial blasting cap.


No expert here but I've been around a few industrial implosions. Work starts a month out. Some prep work done to weaken structural steel and sometimes bracing as well. Plywood boxes around the members to be severed. Blasts are sequential to take advantage of already weakened segments to go in the direction you desire. This of course is a different animal.

We've always used CDI or Dykon. Dykon does a lot of pipeline right of way blasting these days, in PA and the Great Plains. They dropped the tallest structure imploded ever, a smokestack at a coal fired plant in South Africa. They were given the wrong strength of the concrete and it went the opposite of desired direction, right into the brand new power plant. The hinge from the bird's mouth didn't work as designed.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6884 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:45 pm to
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A new Pentagon budget realignment file dropped (with $3.8 billions of new orders). Again it has a lot of interesting info about what weapons have been sent to Ukraine... even though every time more and more of the orders are classified (but I have a good idea what they are).


https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1630296391204438016

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A new Pentagon budget realignment file dropped (with $3.8 billions of new orders). Again it has a lot of interesting info about what weapons have been sent to Ukraine... even though every time more and more of the orders are classified (but I have a good idea what they are).
1/13


First I want to thank @osmnactej - he keeps looking on the Pentagon website for these files every day and has found more than a dozen so far. For an earlier thread about these Pentagon files - check out the link below:

2/n
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https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1574606905363898387
So what is the Pentagon buying:

Medical supplies: $11m
Artillery LADS systems: $38m
Small arms ammo: $30.5m
40mm grenades: $9.2m (= about 185,000 pcs)
120mm mortar rounds: $70.9m
AT4 anti-tank rockets: $27.6m
Javelin ATGM: $188.8m

That's around 955 Javelin missiles.

3/n


155mm fuzes, primers, charges: $43m
155mm rounds: $227.1m
155mm Excalibur: $202.6m

This is the first time the Pentagon spends almost as much on Excalibur as on standard 155mm rounds. It's also more than double all of the previous Excalibur orders combined, which were $184,2m

4/n

M142 HIMARS: $489.5m

Interestingly the Pentagon splits this order in two: 18 HIMARS to replace the M119A2 105mm howitzers of one US Army artillery battalion and then 100+ HIMARS for... ??? it doesn't say for whom.

5/n

So far the Pentagon ordered an extra $480.5m in GMLRS rockets, which is around 3,200 rockets.

This time the Pentagon ordered $1,143,382,000 (!) in GMLRS rockets. But now the type of GMLRS is classified... which makes me think they ordered 7,600+ of the 150km ER-GMLRS.

6/n

Also ordered were:
JLTV: $125,7m to replace armored Humvees
FMTV trucks: $87,7m
AMPV: $800,6m to replace the 100s of M113 donated to Ukraine.

7/n

Also $53.5m for mine clearing charges.... which is interesting because until now the Pentagon had ordered only $1,4m of this item.

This makes it very obvious Ukraine is going to blast through a lot of minefields soon.

8/n

The Pentagon also ordered five additional M-SHORAD Stryker Air Defense Vehicles as replacement for AN/TWQ-1 Avengers sent to Ukraine... this order is on top of the 144 M-SHORAD Strykers the Pentagon already ordered.

9/n

Now onto the US Air Force, which is ordering three new missiles.

AIM-120D AMRAAM: $40m
AGM-158C LRASM: $105,6m
AGM-88G AARGM-ER: $62,7m

Interesting part is that Pentagon says Ukraine received AIM-120B AMRAAM air-to-air missiles - likely for the NASAMS 2 air defense system.

10/n

The AGM-158C LRASM (Long Range Anti-Ship Missile) replaces AGM-84 Harpoonmissiles given to Ukraine... which is interesting, as this is the air-launched variant of the Harpoon... so... maybe Ukraine has now integrated Harpoon anti-ship missiles on their fighters.

11/n

The AGM-88G AARGM-ER (Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile Extended Range - to the rear) is a Ramjet upgrade of the AGM-88E HARM (to the front) introduced in 2010.
AGM-88G is the world's most advanced and fastest anti-radiation missile with a 400 km range.

12/n

In short: the US Air Force is giving Ukraine excellent older missiles that are great at defeating russia, and replaces them with missles that are meant to defeat China.

And this concludes our little trip into the Pentagon budget.

13/end
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35559 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 11:20 pm to
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Good points but if I've learned anything about Russians in the past year it's that it's pretty much impossible to underestimate them.
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Did you mean impossible to overestimate their ability in this 3 day war?
No. I meant it's impossible to underestimate them. In other words, no matter how low your expectations are, they'll still fail to meet them.

eta- btw, for such a smart guy, as evidenced by your endless amount of amazingly well placed business contacts, you've repeatedly misinterpreted my comments in this thread as pro-Russian. Just saying, I expect a bit better from a titan of industry, like yourself.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 11:32 pm
Posted by duggieblue
GA
Member since Feb 2010
4336 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:01 am to
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Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday bestowed a state decoration on Steven Seagal, the American action-movie actor who also holds Russian citizenship.


Lukashenko and Seagal enjoying some carrot in days gone by.

Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26047 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:13 am to
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Seagal


Putin giving him the Russian Order of Friendship

Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26047 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:19 am to
Russian version of mine clearing, one vehicle takes out three mines. This is the same intersection I posted another video from last week.

Twitter
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18083 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:35 am to
From yet another article about changing Western attitudes towards Crimea. I have not seen this quote before.

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“Ukraine is not going to be safe unless Crimea is, at a minimum, demilitarized,” US State Department Undersecretary Victoria Nuland told the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace last week.


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Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2676 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:49 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 28 February 2023

On 19 January 2023, amateur aircraft spotters observed a Russian A-50 MAINSTAY Airborne Early Warning (AEW) System accompanied by two MIG-31K FOXHOUND fighters departing from Machulishchy air base, Belarus, participating in joint Russian-Belarusian air drills between 16 January and 1 February 2023.

On 26 February 2023, Belarusian partisan group BYPOL and exiled opposition leaders reported an A-50 MAINSTAY had sustained damaged from Uncrewed Aerial Vehicle (UAV) attacks at Maschulishchy air base. BYPOL reported two explosions and damage to the front and middle sections of the A-50 MAINSTAY as well as the radar antenna.

The A-50 MAINSTAY is a Russian airborne early warning and control platform. Its role is to build a recognised air picture and to provide coordination to adjoining fighter aircraft.

Attribution and damage has not been officially corroborated. However, the loss of an A-50 MAINSTAY would be significant as it is critical to Russian air operations for providing an air battlespace picture. This will likely leave 6 operational A-50s in service, further constraining Russian air operations.
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