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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/25/23 at 3:48 pm to DabosDynasty
Posted on 2/25/23 at 3:48 pm to DabosDynasty
The Ukrainians held Bakhmut longer than anyone could have imagined and they ruined Putin’s happy 1 year war anniversary by holding the city. Now Ukrainian senior officers need to listen to western leadership and pull those troops out now while they can still have an orderly fighting retreat of men and equipment. Bakhmut as a city doesn’t exist anymore and the strategic value is minimal. They need to save those valuable combat tested units for their own counter offensive. Pull them back and let artillery cover their withdrawal.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 4:21 pm to LSUPilot07
If they’ve inflicted 3:1 casualties there for the last 45-60 days I’d say that’s success. Let it go, live to fight on with better equipment shortly.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 4:30 pm to DabosDynasty
They did their job and more. All but destroyed Wagner, they are combat ineffective on their own now. If not for regular a Russian troops coming to Bakhmut they would never have been able to take the city. Let them have it because they are going to have artillery rain down on them when they occupy the city.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 4:32 pm to LSUPilot07
A really good interview with a Ukrainian Infantryman on the front lines in Bakhmut
Video at link
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1628911351191027715
Video at link
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1628911351191027715
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As a highly qualified railway worker, Oleksiy, originally from Lyman, Donetsk Oblast, was assigned to aviation upon his mobilisation. Instead, he went straight into infantry and is now destroying the occupiers in Bakhmut as part of the 214th Special Battalion OPFOR.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 4:46 pm to Chromdome35
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was assigned to aviation upon his mobilisation.
Nice
[quote]Instead, he went straight into infantry
Recruiters are evil
Posted on 2/25/23 at 6:26 pm to LSUPilot07
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Now Ukrainian senior officers need to listen to western leadership and pull those troops out now while they can still have an orderly fighting retreat of men and equipment. Bakhmut as a city doesn’t exist anymore and the strategic value is minimal. They need to save those valuable combat tested units for their own counter offensive. Pull them back and let artillery cover their withdrawal.
I honestly think that the reason that Russia has advanced so quickly around Bakhmut the last couple of days is that almost everyone is already out.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 6:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Welcome to the new world of Ukraine War Truthers, folks.
Just be aware if you see this picture going around with the person climbing out of the body bag know it is fake:
It is from a climate change protest in Vienna and the video was posted on YT 11 months ago:
YT video
They took a screencap and put the caption over the wording in the video.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 6:40 pm to Chromdome35
Interesting that he has a US patch on.
Commenters said they often wear the patches of those who supplied the clothing or equipment...
Commenters said they often wear the patches of those who supplied the clothing or equipment...
Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:32 pm to TigersnJeeps
I watched a documentary tonight from Vice and a UA soldier had a Latvian patch above his UKE patch.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:38 pm to GOP_Tiger
Interesting look at tank donations to Ukraine. I have a few quibbles with it:
- I think that the correct number of AMX10-RCs is 25.
- The Leopard 1 number will end up being somewhere between 100 and 178.
- The 3 from Finland have mine plows and no gun, so not actually tanks anymore.
- I think we now know that the number from Sweden is 10.
Many of the 260+ Polish T-72s have gone into battle already, as perhaps have the T-72s from Slovakia and Morocco, and the Abrams won't be there for a while -- but that still leaves some 400 or so that are being gathered for the spring offensive. And more donations are still coming in. Plus all the Bradleys, Swedish CV90s, Marders, Strykers, etc.
- I think that the correct number of AMX10-RCs is 25.
- The Leopard 1 number will end up being somewhere between 100 and 178.
- The 3 from Finland have mine plows and no gun, so not actually tanks anymore.
- I think we now know that the number from Sweden is 10.
Many of the 260+ Polish T-72s have gone into battle already, as perhaps have the T-72s from Slovakia and Morocco, and the Abrams won't be there for a while -- but that still leaves some 400 or so that are being gathered for the spring offensive. And more donations are still coming in. Plus all the Bradleys, Swedish CV90s, Marders, Strykers, etc.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:41 pm to GOP_Tiger
Canada is sending 8 leopard 2s possibly 10-4 already are in country 4-6 more in next couple weeks…
Posted on 2/25/23 at 8:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Interesting look at tank donations to Ukraine
Have these tanks and other equipment donations from the last few months been sent to anywhere near the front yet or is it all being stage for a spring offensive?
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 2/25/23 at 8:20 pm to GOP_Tiger
ISW Update
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UK, French, and German officials are reportedly preparing a NATO-Ukraine pact that falls far short of the protections Ukraine would receive from NATO membership and appears to reflect a desire to press Ukraine to accept a negotiated settlement on unfavorable terms.[1] The Wall Street Journal reported that the exact provisions of the pact are undecided, but the officials indicated that the pact will provide advanced military equipment, arms, and ammunition to Ukraine, but not Article V protection or a commitment to station NATO forces in Ukraine—falling short of Ukraine’s aspirations for full NATO membership. The officials stated that the pact aims to provision Ukraine so that Ukrainian forces can conduct a counteroffensive that brings Russia to the negotiating table and deter any future Russian aggression. The Wall Street Journal noted that these officials expressed reservations about the West’s ability to sustain a prolonged war effort, the high casualty count that Ukraine would sustain in such a prolonged war, and Ukrainian forces’ ability to completely recapture long-occupied territories like Crimea, however. The Wall Street Journal contrasted these officials’ private reservations with US President Joe Biden’s public statements of support—which did not mention peace negotiations—and with Central and Eastern European leaders’ concerns that premature peace negotiations would encourage further Russian aggression. Russian President Vladimir Putin has given no indication that he is willing to compromise on his stated maximalist goals, which include Ukraine’s “neutrality” and demilitarization—as well as de facto regime change in Kyiv, as ISW has consistently reported
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Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko plans to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping, possibly to assist Russia and China in sanctions evasion amidst reports that China is seriously considering sending Russia lethal aid. Lukashenko announced plans to visit China from February 28 to March 2 and to meet with Xi Jinping likely to sign agreements on trade, investment, large-scale joint projects, and other matters.[3] Lukashenko also plans to meet with top Chinese officials and the heads of Chinese corporations.[4] Lukashenko’s announcement of his planned visit coincides with reporting from CNN and The Washington Post that senior US officials assess that China is seriously considering selling combat drones, personal weapons, and 122mm and 152mm artillery shells to Russia.[5] Russian and Chinese officials have also reportedly developed plans for the shipment of drones to Russia under falsified shipping documents to avoid international sanctions measures.[6] China may seek to use agreements with Belarus to obfuscate violations of sanctions.
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US President Joe Biden rejected China’s 12-point peace plan as Russian sources continue to capitalize on the announcement of the plan to vilify the West and Ukraine. Biden stated that the Chinese peace plan is only beneficial for Russia and that it would make no sense for China to participate in negotiations on the war in Ukraine.[7] Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) head Denis Pushilin argued that China’s peace plan is a fundamentally different approach to the war in Ukraine from the West’s as the West demands the fulfillment of preconditions while exacerbating the conflict through supporting Ukraine.[8] Pushilin nevertheless also rejected the Chinese plan because it would prevent Russia from achieving its maximalist goals in Ukraine.[9] Russian officials and propagandists continue to assert that Western aid that helps Ukraine resist Russia’s illegal invasion protracts the war and to ignore the role that Russia’s determined pursuit of its maximalist aims plays in prolonging the conflict.
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Lukashenko breathed new life into the Kremlin’s Transnistria information operation by falsely claiming that opening a Transnistrian front would be in the West’s interests.[10] Lukashenko claimed that Ukraine would suffer high casualties if it opened a second front to the war, but that the West aims to defeat both Russia and Russian-occupied Transnistria and bring Moldova closer to the West. Lukashenko’s statements support the Kremlin’s broader information operation that paints Russia as being at war with the West rather than with Ukraine. Lukashenko embroidered on the Russian government’s statements warning of a supposed Ukrainian provocation along the Ukraine-Transnistria border by adding the unfounded assertion that the West desires a conflict in Moldova. The Critical Threats Project at the American Enterprise Institute has previously assessed that the Kremlin likely conducted a false flag operation against the Transnistrian occupation Ministry of Defense (MoD) in April 2022 in order to blame Ukraine for the attacks and draw Transnistria into the war, a goal that the Kremlin has so far failed to accomplish
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Russian authorities detained more than 50 people at anti-war demonstrations in 14 Russian cities on February 24. Independent Russian outlet OVD-Info reported that police detained at least 54 people for anti-war demonstrations at which they picketed, laid flowers, and wrote messages in the snow.[12] The arrests suggest that the protests were far more limited in scale than they had been earlier in the war, since Russian authorities detained 1,800 people on the first day of the war and almost 5,000 on March 6, 2022.[13] Russian milblogger Anatoly Nesmiyan claimed that Russian authorities only arrested 18 people at an anti-war demonstration on February 25 in St. Petersburg compared to 500 on February 25, 2022.[14] The protests are noteworthy for having occurred at all rather than because of their size given the intense pressure the Kremlin has put on all public opposition to the war, including the criminalization of criticism of the war’s conduct, of military officials, and of the Kremlin itself.
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Wagner Group Financier Yevgeny Prigozhin and his supporters criticized Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu over his son-in-law Alexei Stolyarov’s alleged Instagram “likes” of anti-war posts. Independent Russian-language opposition news outlet Meduza reported that Stolyarov denied liking posts by anti-war journalist Yuri Dud and claimed that screenshots circulating social media were photoshopped.[16] Prigozhin added to the criticism of Stolyarov saying “bring [Stolyarov] to me. I will train him for six weeks” and claiming that he could help Stolyarov improve by sending him into combat.[17] A pro-Wagner milblogger called for Shoigu’s removal over his association with his son-in-law
Posted on 2/25/23 at 8:20 pm to StormyMcMan
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Key Takeaways
UK, French, and German officials are reportedly preparing a NATO-Ukraine pact that falls far short of the protections Ukraine would receive from NATO membership and appears to reflect a desire to press Ukraine to accept a negotiated settlement on unfavorable terms.
Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko plans to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping, possibly to assist Russia and China in sanctions evasion amidst reports that China is seriously considering sending Russia lethal aid.
US President Joe Biden rejected China’s 12-point peace plan as Russian sources continue to capitalize on the announcement of the plan to vilify the West and Ukraine.
Lukashenko breathed new life into the Kremlin’s Transnistria information operation by falsely claiming that opening a Transnistrian front would be in the West’s interests.
Russian authorities detained more than 50 people at anti-war demonstrations in 14 Russian cities on February 24.
Wagner Group Financier Yevgeny Prigozhin and his supporters criticized Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu over his son-in-law Alexei Stolyarov’s alleged Instagram “likes” of anti-war posts.
Russian forces continued to conduct ground attacks northwest of Svatove and near Kreminna.
Russian forces made marginal territorial gains around Bakhmut and Avdiivka and continued to conduct ground attacks across the Donetsk Oblast front line.
Russian forces continue to struggle to conduct effective combat operations on the Zaporizhia Oblast front line.
Russian forces are continuing to suffer significant losses on the battlefield prompting some milbloggers to criticize the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) for failing to recognize the scale of the casualties.
Russian authorities are exploiting Ukrainian children from Mariupol as propaganda to falsely portray Russia as the savior of occupied areas.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 8:38 pm to StormyMcMan
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UK, French, and German officials are reportedly preparing a NATO-Ukraine pact that falls far short of the protections Ukraine would receive from NATO membership and appears to reflect a desire to press Ukraine to accept a negotiated settlement on unfavorable terms.[1] The Wall Street Journal reported that the exact provisions of the pact are undecided, but the officials indicated that the pact will provide advanced military equipment, arms, and ammunition to Ukraine, but not Article V protection or a commitment to station NATO forces in Ukraine—falling short of Ukraine’s aspirations for full NATO membership. The officials stated that the pact aims to provision Ukraine so that Ukrainian forces can conduct a counteroffensive that brings Russia to the negotiating table and deter any future Russian aggression.
Interesting. So they’re willing to give Ukraine the advanced weapons to expel Russia, but only if they agree to negotiate peace after and no NATO entry. Wonder what their idea of the peace agreement looks like.
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 2/25/23 at 8:44 pm to StormyMcMan
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UK, French, and German officials are reportedly preparing a NATO-Ukraine pact that falls far short of the protections Ukraine would receive from NATO membership and appears to reflect a desire to press Ukraine to accept a negotiated settlement on unfavorable terms.
Hmmm. Looks like the European sell out has begun.
Who would have ever guessed?
Posted on 2/25/23 at 8:46 pm to AU86
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Hmmm. Looks like the European sell out has begun.
It's petty to type this, but I really wish they would have had an epic cold winter and the world wouldn't have responded quickly to supply them for their heating needs.
Not that I wanted anyone to freeze to death, but they needed to feel some pain and panic a little.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 8:50 pm to DabosDynasty
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Interesting. So they’re willing to give Ukraine the advanced weapons to expel Russia, but only if they agree to negotiate peace after and no NATO entry. Wonder what their idea of the peace agreement looks like.
One of the stipulations to join NATO is that not already in a conflict on a border of the applicant.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 8:51 pm to notiger1997
I'm going to hold off on discussing that until we know more. It's very on-brand for Macron and Scholz, but it's absolutely not at all what the UK has been saying and doing. There's no way that the UK is going to push Ukraine to accept a bad peace.
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