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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:08 am to
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:08 am to
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chicken shite war hawks


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OleWar

Checks out.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:15 am to
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What kind of fricked up vet tells someone they should kill themselves twice? RA'd you need a time out

Yeah I RA'd him too.

That is fricked up.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:46 am to
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Chicken needs to bite the bullet and move it to the poli board. This thread started out great until it devolved to proxy political bickering.


Wonder how that happened
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27770 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:51 am to
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workers working fulltime but not getting a paycheck.
If only they had a name for that.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74241 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 8:15 am to
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Russian-Ukraine Conflict: General Impact.



Write a post explaining why the Russian Ukraine War isn't a political topic but a general one.

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The ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine is often viewed as a political issue, but it is much more than that. At its core, this is a general issue that affects not only the political dynamics of the region but also the lives of countless people who are caught in the crossfire.

The conflict began in 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea, a move that was widely condemned by the international community. Since then, fighting has erupted in eastern Ukraine, leading to the deaths of thousands of people and displacement of many more. The conflict has also caused significant economic damage and strained relations between Russia and other countries, including the United States and European Union.

While there are certainly political elements to this conflict, it is important to recognize that it is much broader than that. At its core, this is a conflict that involves the basic human rights of millions of people who are affected by the fighting. Innocent civilians, including women and children, are caught in the crossfire and face the threat of violence every day. Many have lost their homes and businesses, and are struggling to survive.

Furthermore, the conflict has significant geopolitical implications. The annexation of Crimea has led to a significant shift in the balance of power in the region, with Russia asserting itself as a dominant force in Eastern Europe. This has led to tensions between Russia and other countries, including NATO and the European Union, which have responded with sanctions and other measures.

Ultimately, the Russian-Ukraine conflict is not just a political issue but a general one that affects the lives of millions of people and has far-reaching consequences for the region and the world. It is important for us to recognize the human cost of the conflict and work towards a peaceful resolution that respects the rights of all involved.


Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24858 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 8:35 am to
Right, keep that crap on the political board.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:08 am to
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:19 am to
So is there an easy to read version of the Chinese Peace Proposal?

I know it dropped yesterday.
Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
2100 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:23 am to
First T-62M obr. 2022s are showing up...

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@UAWeapons #Ukraine: It appears we have the first sighting of a new Russian T-62 modernization in the combat zone - a so-called "T-62M obr. 2022". Tanks of this model received a new 1PN96MT-02 thermal sight instead of the old optics however even ERA wasn't installed.




First they bring out the T-62 now BTR-50s I'm waiting on the T-55 to make its reappearance.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24858 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:24 am to
Tranistra is on the eastern border of Moldvia, that is a long range "look". But, IDK nothing about the plane's capability, it may be watching my house from there afaik. I didn't realize Trans was a breakaway from Moldavia, I guess it was done to make an excuse for Russian troops to be there.
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 9:25 am
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24858 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:30 am to
Bur, what are those "things" just below the 018 numbers. The flattened U shaped things.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:40 am to
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So is there an easy to read version of the Chinese Peace Proposal?


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1. Respecting the sovereignty of all countries. Universally recognized international law, including the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter, must be strictly observed. The sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all countries must be effectively upheld. All countries, big or small, strong or weak, rich or poor, are equal members of the international community. All parties should jointly uphold the basic norms governing international relations and defend international fairness and justice. Equal and uniform application of international law should be promoted, while double standards must be rejected.

2. Abandoning the Cold War mentality. The security of a country should not be pursued at the expense of others. The security of a region should not be achieved by strengthening or expanding military blocs. The legitimate security interests and concerns of all countries must be taken seriously and addressed properly. There is no simple solution to a complex issue. All parties should, following the vision of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security and bearing in mind the long-term peace and stability of the world, help forge a balanced, effective and sustainable European security architecture. All parties should oppose the pursuit of one’s own security at the cost of others’ security, prevent bloc confrontation, and work together for peace and stability on the Eurasian Continent.

3. Ceasing hostilities. Conflict and war benefit no one. All parties must stay rational and exercise restraint, avoid fanning the flames and aggravating tensions, and prevent the crisis from deteriorating further or even spiraling out of control. All parties should support Russia and Ukraine in working in the same direction and resuming direct dialogue as quickly as possible, so as to gradually deescalate the situation and ultimately reach a comprehensive ceasefire.

4. Resuming peace talks. Dialogue and negotiation are the only viable solution to the Ukraine crisis. All efforts conducive to the peaceful settlement of the crisis must be encouraged and supported. The international community should stay committed to the right approach of promoting talks for peace, help parties to the conflict open the door to a political settlement as soon as possible, and create conditions and platforms for the resumption of negotiation. China will continue to play a constructive role in this regard.

5. Resolving the humanitarian crisis. All measures conducive to easing the humanitarian crisis must be encouraged and supported. Humanitarian operations should follow the principles of neutrality and impartiality, and humanitarian issues should not be politicized. The safety of civilians must be effectively protected, and humanitarian corridors should be set up for the evacuation of civilians from conflict zones. Efforts are needed to increase humanitarian assistance to relevant areas, improve humanitarian conditions, and provide rapid, safe and unimpeded humanitarian access, with a view to preventing a humanitarian crisis on a larger scale. The UN should be supported in playing a coordinating role in channeling humanitarian aid to conflict zones.

6. Protecting civilians and prisoners of war (POWs). Parties to the conflict should strictly abide by international humanitarian law, avoid attacking civilians or civilian facilities, protect women, children and other victims of the conflict, and respect the basic rights of POWs. China supports the exchange of POWs between Russia and Ukraine, and calls on all parties to create more favorable conditions for this purpose.

7. Keeping nuclear power plants safe. China opposes armed attacks against nuclear power plants or other peaceful nuclear facilities, and calls on all parties to comply with international law including the Convention on Nuclear Safety (CNS) and resolutely avoid man-made nuclear accidents. China supports the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in playing a constructive role in promoting the safety and security of peaceful nuclear facilities.

8. Reducing strategic risks. Nuclear weapons must not be used and nuclear wars must not be fought. The threat or use of nuclear weapons should be opposed. Nuclear proliferation must be prevented and nuclear crisis avoided. China opposes the research, development and use of chemical and biological weapons by any country under any circumstances.

9. Facilitating grain exports. All parties need to implement the Black Sea Grain Initiative signed by Russia, Türkiye, Ukraine and the UN fully and effectively in a balanced manner, and support the UN in playing an important role in this regard. The cooperation initiative on global food security proposed by China provides a feasible solution to the global food crisis.

10. Stopping unilateral sanctions. Unilateral sanctions and maximum pressure cannot solve the issue; they only create new problems. China opposes unilateral sanctions unauthorized by the UN security Council. Relevant countries should stop abusing unilateral sanctions and “long-arm jurisdiction” against other countries, so as to do their share in deescalating the Ukraine crisis and create conditions for developing countries to grow their economies and better the lives of their people.

11. Keeping industrial and supply chains stable. All parties should earnestly maintain the existing world economic system and oppose using the world economy as a tool or weapon for political purposes. Joint efforts are needed to mitigate the spillovers of the crisis and prevent it from disrupting international cooperation in energy, finance, food trade and transportation and undermining the global economic recovery.

12. Promoting post-conflict reconstruction. The international community needs to take measures to support post-conflict reconstruction in conflict zones. China stands ready to provide assistance and play a constructive role in this endeavor.


LINK to China Goverment website
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15683 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:01 am to
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I didn't realize Trans was a breakaway from Moldavia,
It broke away before Moldova declared independence because it thought that Moldova would be part of Romania. Thus all because it didn't want to be Romania
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
27425 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:03 am to
9 and 11 are 100% for China. They cant fuel and feed themselves so any disruptions are catastrophic
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 10:03 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73599 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:08 am to
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Bur, what are those "things" just below the 018 numbers. The flattened U shaped things.


Are you talking about the storage box and external auxiliary fuel tank on the hull?
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24858 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:22 am to
Idk what I’m asking about. Just the flattened backwards “c” things just under the numbers. I’m not military so I assume they probably don’t call them “flattened backwards c things”.

I don’t understand why people respond to political questions here. You’re being baited.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
51820 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:57 am to
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Respectfully responding: Why isn't THIS thread on the poli-board and not the OT?
The PT challenges the sensibilities of most posters who are unable to separate emotion from critical thinking. The PT and it's "theories" regarding conspiracies,collusion, graft and corruption of our government and elections have mostly been vindicated from showering sunshine on facts, connecting the dots to prove there is a power elite cabal running this country, corrupting the courts, the district attorneys and the elections process through their unfettered ability to cloak the flow of corrupt monies through "foundations" and other influence peddling proxies.

This board prefers a simpler approach to appeal to a simpler mind-set that uncritically buys in to the MSM onslaught of filtered news as told to report by their three letter agency masters.

Here, it's, "Russia is bad. Ukraine is good. Nevermind the corruption, Nazis, and secret bio labs. Nevermind that our POTATUS is a bumbling, babbling idiot that can barely remain cognizant for more than ten minutes. Nevermind that our foreign policy is a shambles. Nevermind that this country is crumbling from excessive debt and the middle class is being squeezed threadbare. Let's keep spending and sending $100's of billion to fund a war to a country we have no strategic alliance with."

It should stay on the OT. The PT would piss off too many in this thread.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150130 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 11:15 am to
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Nevermind the corruption, Nazis, and secret bio labs. Nevermind that our POTATUS is a bumbling, babbling idiot that can barely remain cognizant for more than ten minutes. Nevermind that our foreign policy is a shambles. Nevermind that this country is crumbling from excessive debt and the middle class is being squeezed threadbare. Let's keep spending and sending $100's of billion to fund a war to a country we have no strategic alliance with."
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 11:16 am
Posted by LeClerc
USVI
Member since Oct 2012
2841 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 11:28 am to
Well, there it is.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30450 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 11:28 am to
A Russian tank runs full steam into a minefield already littered with carcasses, at least the next two nope out. I didn't turn on the sound but it would be a good clip for Yakkity Sax especially with it being sped up.

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