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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:12 am to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:12 am to

British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 23 February 2023
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Over the last 48 hours, heavy fighting has continued in the Bakhmut sector where Ukrainian forces are keeping resupply routes open to the west despite Russia's creeping encirclement over the last six weeks.

Further south in Donetsk Oblast, the town of Vuhledar has again experienced heavy shelling. There is a realistic possibility that Russia is preparing for another offensive effort in this area despite costly failed attacks in early February and late 2022.

Russia's Eastern Group of Forces likely still has responsibility for the Vuhledar operation. Its commander, Colonel General Rustam Muradov, is likely under intense pressure to improve results following harsh criticism from the Russian nationalist community after previous setbacks. However, it is unlikely that Muradov has a striking force capable of achieving a breakthrough.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 7:13 am
Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:06 am to
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@Faytuks Russian military convoys without identification marks have been spotted in the direction of the Chernihiv region with men dressed in pixel camo similar to the uniform of Ukraine's Armed Forces - operational Command North LINK

Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:44 am to
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Russian President Vladimir Putin revived his imperialistic narrative that Russia is fighting for Russia's "historic frontiers"

What would the "historic frontiers" be? Does that include the Baltics, Moldova, the Stans and Romania and Poland for instance? Because that is a definite no-go. Putin wants to fight the big fight. He's tired of the United States.
This is going to take some time. It will be comforting that we will have a new CIC when it gets hot.
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:49 am to
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Burhead

That's the first time anyone has linked to a Russian government run Facebook account.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:51 am to
After being MAULED in Ukraine, Russia won't be invading anyone, especially a NATO member, for decades.

It will take a very long time to replace their equipment losses and ammo supplies.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:52 am to
Updates on Black Sea/Transinistra surveillance

Same plane out over the Black Sea



Italian plane now into the previous pattern near Transinistra



British plane headed to the area now

Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:54 am to
Poland prepping the border with Kalingrad



Planning to do the same with Belarus

Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:55 am to
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for decades.

Well his bellicose statements point towards an unstable time. But Putin does not have decades. He may have a decade and he will be like Biden at that point.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:57 am to
Last one for now, seems russia and Serbia continue to sow the discord in the region with Kosovo as well.



Makes me wonder if the Serbia/Kosovo situation flares up again somewhat coordinated with action in Transinistra and potentially Moldova as a whole.

Don’t profess to be well versed on Balkan history, just know enough to know it’s historically messy with changing borders.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:03 am to
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Well his bellicose statements point towards an unstable time. But Putin does not have decades. He may have a decade and he will be like Biden at that point.


Even the anti Putin, Navalny, has the same mindset. Any of those who are in a position to take Putin's place are as bad or worse.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37518 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:04 am to
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What would the "historic frontiers" be?



An invitation to never ending international conflict.

Just run down the list of historical conquests and/or empires:

Soviet
Japanese
Mongol
Chinese
Ottoman
British
Spanish
Portuguese
Roman
German
Egyptian
Persian
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:17 am to
Spanish prime minister is in Kyiv today.
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Sánchez has announced that Spain will try to send to Kiev "in the coming weeks or months" 10 Leopard tanks, instead of the six announced by Defense Minister Margarita Robles yesterday in Congress. The Spanish president has also indicated that he is not against sending planes, but that it is an issue that must be "discussed with the allies."


LINK
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:29 am to
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Even the anti Putin, Navalny, has the same mindset. Any of those who are in a position to take Putin's place are as bad or worse.

Then we are going to have to fight them. Give them a few years and their populace will forget about anything Western.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:32 am to
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After being MAULED in Ukraine, Russia won't be invading anyone, especially a NATO member, for decades.

It will take a very long time to replace their equipment losses and ammo supplies.



There is definitely a counter argument in there about NATO equipment and ammo stores as well. Don't know how long it will take to backfill everything donated but it's at least worth mentioning
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:34 am to
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There is definitely a counter argument in there about NATO equipment and ammo stores as well. Don't know how long it will take to backfill everything donated but it's at least worth mentioning


Agree and I think China has been watching this.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:35 am to
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Then we are going to have to fight them. Give them a few years and their populace will forget about anything Western.


Why embargo Russia and yes the sanctions have had an impact. They certainly made bank in the spring of 2022 but that ship has sailed while India and China bank on huge discounts.

To really hurt Russia France and Germany should allow hydraulic fracturing of tight shale formations. They have lots they can produce on their own. So has Ukraine but 2014 stopped those agreements with Exxon, Shell and Chevron
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
23984 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:41 am to
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To really hurt Russia France and Germany should allow hydraulic fracturing of tight shale formations. They have lots they can produce on their own. So has Ukraine but 2014 stopped those agreements with Exxon, Shell and Chevron


Looks like Russia wants to reconstitute the SU either on the battlefield or through subversive, peel off the Balkans change the politics means. We are going to have to deal with them. Think about where this started and where it is today? It's a world of difference with the world gradually taking sides. What will be interesting to me is if Turkey stays in the fold. They can throw a wrench in things in the area.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:49 am to
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Looks like Russia wants to reconstitute the SU either on the battlefield or through subversive, peel off the Balkans change the politics means.


Serbia and Russia have always been podnas. Russia was too weak economically in the 1990's to do anything.

Turkey has always played several sides, The West, Russia and the Middle East Arabs & Shia, plus Israel. Their geographic location and trading crossroads mindset is what it is. Their Bayraktar drones is old Israeli technology.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:50 am to


Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
23984 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:07 am to
Serbia is landlocked and can be managed.
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