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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:12 pm to tigeraddict
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:12 pm to tigeraddict
Yeah, I guess their use is much more ubiquitous than I originally thought. I came of age in the GWOT and just never heard of the US placing large amounts of landmines in Afghanistan and Iraq. Maybe we did and I just don't know.
But it seems like it is more of an obstacle that just slows elements down rather than destroying them. I guess that depends on the competency of the leaders trying to make their way through a minefield. Like in your example once the first tank gets blown up, everyone fricking stop and get the mine clearing unit up there to make a path.
Idk, I was just shocked at the amount t of mines I've seen being used in this conflict versus the IEDs I grew up seeing our boys deal with.
But it seems like it is more of an obstacle that just slows elements down rather than destroying them. I guess that depends on the competency of the leaders trying to make their way through a minefield. Like in your example once the first tank gets blown up, everyone fricking stop and get the mine clearing unit up there to make a path.
Idk, I was just shocked at the amount t of mines I've seen being used in this conflict versus the IEDs I grew up seeing our boys deal with.
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:16 pm to Lakeboy7
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The Russians are so untrained/lazy they initially just laid mines on the roads, which the Ukrainians picked up and moved then used against the Russians.
Yeah, that's a good example of what I saw in the video I referenced. This unit was operating along a road and came into contact and you could see the mines laid out across the road. Well once they pushed the Rusians who were deployed at the crossroads further up, they just walked to the mines and picked them up to clear a path for their support vehicles.
And as you said, I'm sure they were sent to a different unit that could lay them in a defensive position to be used agai st the side that originally laid them. This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:20 pm to IAmNERD
Sweden has announced it will be sending Stridsvagns to Ukraine in the latest aid package.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:33 pm to Burhead
quote:Designed in 1956, in use from 1967-1997 by Sweden.
Sweden has announced it will be sending Stridsvagns to Ukraine in the latest aid package.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:42 pm to GumboPot
(Insert “Clown World” meme here.)
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:43 pm to soccerfüt
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Designed in 1956, in use from 1967-1997 by Sweden.
The red/orange paint on the tip of the barrel, does that signify that its an air soft tank?
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:48 pm to GumboPot
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@WarMonitors · 6m ??Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: A significant accumulation of personnel and military equipment of Ukrainian units near the Ukrainian-Transnistria border is recorded
Implementation of the planned provocation by Kyiv poses a direct threat to the Russian peacekeeping contingent in Transnistria — RF Ministry of Defense
Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will adequately respond to the impending provocation of the Ukrainian side — Russian Defense Ministry
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@MarQs__
Just in case: This is obviously not true. Moscow often shares such claims to "justify" possible actions by themselve. The same playbook was used e.g. before the invasion of Ukraine (claimed imminent Ukrainian offensive on DPR/LPR and attacks on Russian mainland)
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:51 pm to IAmNERD
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But mines just seem like such an outdated tactic that are rarely successful during actual combat but are being heavily deployed in this war.
Engineer officers everywhere are shaking their heads in unison.
Properly laid minefields that are covered by direct or indirect fire are a huge headache for a maneuver commander. When tied in with the natural features of an area they can be used to stop the enemy or channel them into kill zones. If the unit is well-versed in dealing with minefields and has the proper assets they will almost certainly still have losses if they are undertrained and/or lack the assets to deal with the minefield the chaos and death will be significant. This is just talking about anti-vehicle mines. anti-personnel mines have similar effects and chew up morale like a pitbull on a ribeye.
As long as men and machines maneuver on the ground during war minefields will be useful. Areas that have fewer features that naturally channel vehicles (forests, swamps, rivers, mountains, buildings and etc) like deserts make them harder to employ but when you have a lot of those minefields are prime candidates to slow, stop and kill the enemy.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:55 pm to GumboPot
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I posted this on the PT board asking WTF is going on with the NATO twitter account. Can someone explain? How can these people be taken seriously?
It's a quote from someone serving in the UA. If you follow the thread it starts here:
?I’d always been a journalist… on day two of Russia’s full-scale invasion, I went and joined the Armed Forces of Ukraine.?
This is Pavlo's story:
Posted on 2/23/23 at 3:01 pm to Darth_Vader
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The question i wonder about is (1) where will they strike and (2) what will be their objective? Could they be thinking of cutting off the Crimea?
A drive to the Azov Sea and west through Kherson would have to be the ultimate prize for Ukraine this spring/summer. If they achieve that they will have functionally rolled the clock back to 2014, when they were fighting against Russia for control of the Donbas. This war ultimately has to end with pen and paper and I think Ukrainians isolating and threatening Crimea and bringing nato weapons into the Donbas provides enough leverage to end this war.
I’ve been wondering if Ukraine can cross the Dnipro and mount an offensive into Kherson from the west.
I assume no, but below is an interesting write up on ongoing battles around the islands in the Dnipro river.
LINK
Perhaps a Ukrainian Noah is fashioning together a few hundred higgins boats as we speak.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 3:04 pm to IAmNERD
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But it seems like it is more of an obstacle that just slows elements down rather than destroying them. I guess that depends on the competency of the leaders trying to make their way through a minefield.
In any military engineering class when they discuss obstacle and counter obstacle the main talking point is obstacles are basically useless if not covered by direct or indirect fire. While the enemy is dealing with the obstacle you shoot them.
As for the US not using them a lot that is generally a result of either the inability to tie them into natural terrain OR the need for their own mobility. In general, minefields restrict the movement of both sides through an area. Putting in minefields will limit your own movement in that area so they are less useful and can be a huge negative for the US in conflicts like pretty much all our wars in the Middle East.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 3:09 pm to ned nederlander
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I’ve been wondering if Ukraine can cross the Dnipro and mount an offensive into Kherson from the west.
Only the lower part of the Dnipro divides the two combatants. So in essence, Ukraine never lost a lot more than a foothold on the east bank.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 3:21 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 2/23/23 at 3:24 pm to LeClerc
Posted on 2/23/23 at 3:48 pm to soccerfüt
"Holy low profile, Batman!" That's a different looking tank.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 2/23/23 at 5:07 pm to soccerfüt
A bit of history on them from Tank Chats out of The Tank Museum in the UK.
Youtube - Tank Chats #117 Stridsvagns
As silly as the design may look now, they had some solid reasoning at the time coming out of WWII.
Primarily was that turret hits accounted for a significant number of kills, and accounted for about 25% of the weight to the chassis. What they came up with was essentially making the entire chassis the turret. Interesting work arounds and innovations but ultimately not effective as it could not fire on the move. Shortly after it's release fully stabilised guns came along and meant turreted tanks could now fire accurately while moving at speed.
Youtube - Tank Chats #117 Stridsvagns
As silly as the design may look now, they had some solid reasoning at the time coming out of WWII.
Primarily was that turret hits accounted for a significant number of kills, and accounted for about 25% of the weight to the chassis. What they came up with was essentially making the entire chassis the turret. Interesting work arounds and innovations but ultimately not effective as it could not fire on the move. Shortly after it's release fully stabilised guns came along and meant turreted tanks could now fire accurately while moving at speed.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:33 pm to OutsideObserver
Australia sending $33 million worth of drones to Ukraine, and imposing new sanctions on Russia.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:48 pm to Darth_Vader
Seen on the Poliboard in thread about $10 BIL in aid going to Ukraine:
That is bad enough, but this.....
Holy shite these people.
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It’s another to give it to a midget homosexual actor who is playing the lead in a war drama that will never end.
How do we stop it?
Vote harder?
That is bad enough, but this.....
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WW3 and liberation of the United States via the Russians?
Holy shite these people.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
Russia may have been right this time about Ukraine going into Transnistria. Telegram is blowing up according to War Monitor.
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