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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/1/23 at 3:32 pm to
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 3:32 pm to
Thank you for posting links to serious reporting and discussions about the war.

I've been seeing an increasing number of nonsubstantive articles like this one, Vladimir Putin slammed by former Russian Vice-President and others: 'Old tyrant, an old dictator'; Vladimir Putin is a 'laughing stock'. These articles paint a false image of the war and the realities that the world faces in light of Russia's growing militarism. As long as bullets and bombs exist, Russia is a dangerous player. These fluff pieces are increasingly describing the conflict as essentially over or its result inevitable. It's disappointing to see this kind of garbage taking over Western reporting on the real issues and events. I appreciate that this kind of silliness isn't getting play in this thread.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 4:24 pm to
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I've been seeing an increasing number of nonsubstantive articles like this one


What is not being talked about is how developed Ukrainian tight shale natural gas fields will remove any temptation to buy Russian natural gas. Additionally, how emerging giant finds of oil will also remove any temptation for Europe to buy oil from Russia. I fully expect Guyana to be exporting up to 5 million BPD within 5 years, plus the new finds in Africa.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:58 pm to
Yesterday, there were widespread raids and arrests in Ukraine by anti-corruption investigators. I saw a great number of different reports.

Tymofiy Mylovanov, who was Minister of the Economy under Zelensky from 2019-2020, has a good Twitter thread outlining some of them.

In other threads he has described how some of the scams worked. For example, an oligarch gets control of a bank, has it issue a giant loan to another business of his, defaults on the loan, and then gets the government to bail out the bank to protect the depositors.

I know that some people will look at these arrests and firings and say, "See! Ukraine has lots of corruption," but I think the correct way to see it is "Ukraine is cleaning up corruption."

Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:25 pm to
ISW Update

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Ukrainian officials are continuing to warn about Russia’s intention of conducting a decisive offensive operation in Donbas in February and/or March, supporting ISW’s most likely course of action assessment (MLCOA). Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Representative Andriy Yusov stated on February 1 that Ukraine is on the eve of an active phase of combat that will take place over the next two months.


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Russian President Vladimir Putin may be setting conditions for further Russian cross-border raids into northeastern areas of Ukraine, likely in an effort to further domestic information operations and pin Ukrainian forces against northern border areas. Putin held a meeting on February 1 to discuss the restoration of residential infrastructure in Crimea, Belgorod, Bryansk, and Kursk oblasts following “shelling by Neo-Nazi formations.”[5] Putin noted that his administration is prioritizing the ending of Ukrainian shelling of border regions, but that this task is “the business of the military department.”


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The Kremlin is likely seizing an opportunity to discredit Igor Girkin, a prominent critical voice within the Russian nationalist space and former Russian officer, following his altercation with Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin. Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov accused Girkin of cowardice following his decision to retreat from Slovyansk, Donetsk Oblast, in July 2014.[10] This is a common criticism Girkin’s enemies direct at him. Solovyov’s remarks echo Prigozhin’s ongoing efforts to attack Girkin across the Russian information space, which ISW assessed was an attempt to undermine Girkin’s patronage networks and influence among Russian ultranationalists


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Key Takeaways

Ukrainian officials are continuing to warn about Russia’s intention of conducting a decisive offensive operation in Donbas in February and/or March, supporting ISW’s most likely course of action assessment (MLCOA).

Russian President Vladimir Putin may be setting conditions for further Russian cross-border raids into northeastern areas of Ukraine, likely in an effort to further domestic information operations and pin Ukrainian forces against northern border areas.

Russian forces continued ground attacks northeast and southwest of Bakhmut.

Russian forces continued limited ground attacks to regain lost positions on the Svatove-Kreminna line on February 1.

Russian forces are continuing to carry out unsuccessful disruption missions on islands in the Dnipro River delta in Kherson Oblast in an effort to prevent Ukrainian forces from gaining ground on the islands.

Russian officials plan to propose a moratorium on the public procurement law to simplify spending procedures amid an increasingly costly war effort.

The Wagner Group’s prison recruitment efforts may have slowed in previous months.

Crimean partisans may have conducted an improvised explosive device (IED) attack in occupied Crimea on January 30.
Posted by BeepNode
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:45 pm to
Russia has already lost 3x more troops in Ukraine than the US lost in the entire Vietnam War.

Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:13 pm to
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Russia has already lost 3x more troops in Ukraine than the US lost in the entire Vietnam War.


Confirmed or propaganda?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:25 pm to
Meanwhile, Russia unveiled a new Stalin statue in the city of Volgograd.

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This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 9:26 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:33 pm to
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Meanwhile, Russia unveiled a new Stalin statue in the city of Volgograd.


Look at those ignorant fools smiling next to his bust. That sorry sack of shite murdered more people than Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, and Göring ever dreamed of combined. I’d be willing to wager the only human to ever live who was responsible for more human death was Mao.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:40 pm to
Cheers, I found that short video very informative, so went searching for more featuring Dr Clarke, he seems to be used regularly on Sky News regarding the war.

Along with some good analysis of key parts of the war thus far a couple of the things he raised really resonated for me:

The first was about the Ukrainian sense of national identity being critical, especially early in the war in slowing Russian gains by standing up to them and not rolling over.

This raised the question for me of whether Russia overplayed their hand earlier in 2014 with the "soft" invasion of Crimea and support for the breakaway regions.

By going in earlier to these regions they gave strength to Ukraine's national identity by being the "bad guys" and when they came back for a second crack Ukraine wasn't willing to drop their pants this time, especially when coupled with the apparent lack of will for direct support from the West last time.

The second one he raised was the concept of how distance and territory is a core part of Russian, and specifically Putin's, understanding of power and security and that the expansion of Nato, intentional or otherwise, contributed to directly undermine that.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't see this as justification for what Russia has done and I think it is fundamentally Russia's fault for not being able to evolve past the mentality that they need extensive land holdings for attrition based warfare to remain secure. However it does show how both leaders and nations are far more at the mercy of the eddies of history and just how far key moments can keep influencing them into the future.

These two videos are what got me going down the rabbit hole for the above ramblings but are good for a bit of a timeline. The first is from mid June last year and the second from late December. Also worth watching Dr Clarkes expressions when the talking heads start talking bollocks.

Youtube - Sky News War in Ukraine with Professor David Clarke June

Youtube - Sky News War in Ukraine with Professor David Clarke December

Lastly these guys have some excellent information on the capabilities and history of most European tanks including earlier Soviet/Russian ones (Up to the T-72 I think), though with a British bias as it is run by the Tank Museum in the UK - watch out for some of David Fletchers one liners - his quip about Patton and getting shot in the backside in WWI is gold.

Youtube - Tank Chats - Leopard 2

Edit: Clarity

This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 9:42 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:43 pm to
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Russia has already lost 3x more troops in Ukraine than the US lost in the entire Vietnam War.


I’m sure there is at least a touch of propaganda in those numbers. That’s to be expected. We lost something like 57,000 KIA in close to a decade of the Vietnam War. Even the most conservative estimates of Russian losses in Ukraine is north of 100K in just under one year; which means they’ve lost at least twice in less than 12 months than the US lost during the entire Vietnam War.

So to answer your question, Russian losses thus far in this war already total somewhere between two to three times the losses we had in Vietnam.

The bottom line truth of this war is we will most likely not know the complete story, including losses for both sides, for years after it’s over. Again, as I said above, that’s to be expected. It’s the nature of war itself.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:49 pm to
Good to see it being done especially now with so many other critical things on the table

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I know that some people will look at these arrests and firings and say, "See! Ukraine has lots of corruption," but I think the correct way to see it is "Ukraine is cleaning up corruption."


Totally agree, for some it is far more important to be proved right than see the right thing being done unfortunately.

Edit: Clarity and double posted.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 9:51 pm
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:50 pm to
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The second one he raised was the concept of how distance and territory is a core part of Russian, and specifically Putin's, understanding of power and security and that the expansion of Nato, intentional or otherwise, contributed to directly undermine tha


What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Did Russian aggression and attacks against their neighbors for decades create a want for their neighbors to band together for security?

Or did the Russians repeatedly attack their neighbors because they feared their neighbors were ganging up on them?

I believe it’s the chicken, my first scenario. Russian aggression created the desire for countries to band together for a common defense.

Look at the origins of NATO. Look what happened to countries that weren’t initially in NATO. Look at events before, during and after WWII.

In my opinion, Russia had created the environment they rail against now.
Posted by Celery
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:06 pm to
Joe Stalin. That bastion of freedom. So the Ruskies are full blown Commies again? I’m really digging my guy’s CCCP coat with the ole hammer and sickle.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:06 pm to
Not sure the chicken and egg analogy applies specifically here as that implies a set point in time where things "began" while the evolution of nations and the impact of their past actions is both hard to pin down and subject to endless, though interesting, discussion

However as I mentioned directly after the quoted point I completely agree Russia is at fault for not evolving past the mentality where they see the need for extensive land holdings as a core means of security which has been a significant compulsion behind their actions for at least the past 200 years.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:32 am to
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Ukrainian intelligence estimates that Russia now has more than 320,000 soldiers in the country, roughly twice the size of Russia's initial invasion force — NYT


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Ukrainian Military Intelligence is reporting that they are beginning to see preparations for a Large-Scale Russian Attack from the Black Sea.

Although it is not made clear whether this is speaking of a Missile Attack or possibly an Amphibious/Ground Operation.


LINK

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Russia transferred SOBR-units to the Donetsk region to supress riots among Russian troops, especially in Vuhledar direction. Yesterday -like I reported in yesterday's SitRep- Russia attacked Vuhledar but failed, 10 Russian soldiers were captured and a large group died.

The 155th naval brigade who is actively involved in the attack on Vuhledar, again lost a huge amount of soldiers already. Back in november, they were also defeated near Pavlivka, losing up to 50% of their combat capabilities and personnel. They got restaffed three times already.

We know that the 155th appeared for the second time in Donetsk and was actually defeated. The people who were newly recruited into the brigade turned out to be not quite competent, unprepared, so they decided to surrender."

????Spokesman Colonel Oleksiy Dmytrashkivskyi confirmed.


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#Putin ordered the seizure of #Donetsk and #Luhansk regions by March, #Ukrainian intelligence said.


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Russia's Lavrov: We will ensure that the events organised by the west for the anniversary of the special operation in Ukraine won't be the only thing to attract world attention


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Turkey suspends the maintenance of Russian, Belarusian and Iranian aircraft manufactured by Boeing and Airbus.


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The Russian Foreign Ministry has stated today that the entire “Special Military Operation” in Ukraine will depend on what the West does from here and that the more Long-Range Munitions that Ukraine receives the further Russia will have to push them from their Borders.

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The USA called on Israel to provide Ukraine with not only humanitarian, but also military aid.

This was stated by US Secretary of State Antony Blinken during negotiations with the Israeli authorities.


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Russia warns “Israel” against supplying weapons to Ukraine — AFP


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#Lavrov hinted that #Moldova could become the next victim of #Russian aggression


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The first confirmed destruction of an esoteric Russian air defense system- the 9A331MDT Tor-M2DT, intended for use in Arctic environments.

The SAM system was destroyed by the 406th Artillery Brigade along with a DT-30 carrier using M982 Excalibur guided projectiles.

LINK
Posted by crookedicat
Member since Aug 2005
492 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:35 am to
What Rusia had been doing for years was primarily subverting the Democratic process affecting leadership in all those Soviet countries in Europe and Asia for that matter. Which essentially means install more dictatorships like he is. More of those there the bigger the threat to the rest of us. Never mind the fact that for the love of God, the US and the West have our problems, but 95% of the humans in any former soviet state would jump at the chance to have a good stable job and home in the West. To me it just proves Democracy isn’t perfect but it’s the best the majority of humans can ask for at this point in our history and he is a cancer to it, in his own country no less. What a dumbass that needs to be taken out, for his own people’s good.

ETA: he has also fought wars in Georgia, Chechnya, crime and Ukraine, so yes he has been attacking here and there through this subversion process.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 6:39 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:49 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 02 February 2023
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Russia's role as a reliable arms exporter is highly likely being undermined by its invasion of Ukraine and international sanctions.

Even before the invasion, Russia's share of the international arms market was declining. Now, when faced with conflicting demands, Russia will almost certainly prioritise deploying newly produced weapons with its own forces in Ukraine over supplying export partners.

A shortage of components is likely affecting the production of equipment for export, such as armoured vehicles, attack helicopters, and air defence systems. In addition, Russia's ability to sustain support services for existing export contracts, such as providing spare parts and maintenance, is likely to be seriously disrupted for at least the next three to five years.
Posted by crookedicat
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:00 am to
We should start a new slogan #GiveItToUkraine

US captures Iranian weapons bound for Yemen
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:03 am to
Interesting interview in the Financial Times about Ukraine's desire for NATO jets.

LINK

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Ukrainian top-gun pilot “Juice” is all too aware of the MiG-29 fighter jet’s limitations when he tries to intercept Russian missiles. The 40-year-old radar on his Soviet aircraft was not designed to detect cruise missiles or drones, he said. So he has not been able to destroy any of them.

“It’s very sad to fly back and land after such a hunting operation, understanding that a prey flew to its target, destroyed buildings and even killed people — and you could not help them,” the 29-year-old pilot, who wanted to be identified only by his call sign, told the Financial Times in an interview.

Juice pleaded for western allies to provide his country with modern fighter jets, explaining that Ukraine’s ageing fleet was outgunned by Russia’s SU-35s and MiG-31s, which have air-to-air missiles with longer ranges and superior radar.

“The situation for our aviation is getting worse and worse with each day,” Juice said.

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Juice said the F-16 had better modern sensors, avionics and weaponry than any of the planes in Ukraine’s fleet, and could be used with missiles that have a longer range than enemy fire, helping to counter Russia’s superior jets. Ukraine could not afford to wait because it was losing its best pilots in combat.

“If we wait six months more, we will get to the moment when we will have only reservist grandpas, not young pilots with good knowledge, good training.”


Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:26 am to
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Joe Stalin. That bastion of freedom. So the Ruskies are full blown Commies again? I’m really digging my guy’s CCCP coat with the ole hammer and sickle.


The hammer and sickle is everywhere in Russia these days. With a minute's searching, you could easily find a score of photos of them on Russian units in Ukraine.

Putin is going today to Volgograd (the city with the new Stalin statue) to celebrate the anniversary of the Battle of Stalingrad (as Volgograd used to be known). Everything in Russia now is WWII, or "The Great Patriotic War," as they call it.

Russia constantly compares its current invasion of Ukraine to that war. "Just like we had to defend ourselves from the existential threat of the Nazis 80 years ago, we now have to defend ourselves from the threat of NATO today."

It's because the only way that Putin can justify Russian failure in Ukraine is to recast the war as a fight for survival against all of NATO.

EDIT: Oh, and the city has temporarily renamed itself Stalingrad again, and they have outfitted some of their police with the uniforms of Stalin's secret police, the NKVD. The NKVD is the organization that carried out Stalin's "Great Purge" and set up and administered the Gulags.



I've said it before, but after WWII, Germany and Japan had to honestly look at their moral failures, and those societies changed dramatically. Russia has never done that, and that's a big part of why this current invasion is taking place.

We correctly blame "the Germans" and "the Japanese" for the atrocities committed during WWII. We never said, "Oh, well the problem was just Hitler and Tojo -- there were lots of good people in Germany and Japan during that time, and it's not fair to blame those entire countries."

But people do exactly that with Putin and Russia. They look at a nation that has committed mass rapes and murders in Ukraine, that has targeted innocent civilians repeatedly, and they say that we shouldn't blame all Russians -- just Putin. It's outrageous.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 7:41 am
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