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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:06 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:06 pm to
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Send the downgraded Abrams but not the modern one.


Well, we are buying brand new Abrams for Ukraine.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:07 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:08 pm to
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send the M1s the marines are taking out of service. even with 105mm rifled guns, they will be an outclass vs the T-72 they will be facing...


What is the 105mm ammo situation for this cannon?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:13 pm to
From Politico:
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One of the two U.S. officials said the Biden administration is considering sending around 30 Abrams tanks.

The vehicles would likely come through the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, according to a third person familiar with the issue. The program allows Washington to finance the purchase of weapons and equipment for Ukraine, as opposed to pulling them from existing U.S. stockpiles.


The USAI is about purchasing new equipment. This is about (eventually) giving Ukraine 30 new Abrams tanks.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:30 pm to
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The USAI is about purchasing new equipment. This is about (eventually) giving Ukraine 30 new Abrams tanks.



That is probably a good thing. General Dynamics is currently producing the export version of the M1A2s for Poland. The USA and Poland agreed to a deal where Poland bought 116 M1A1s likely some of the M1A1s without DU armor that were in storage and they would be upgraded before delivery in exchange for Poland giving Ukraine T72s. It would be real easy to give to Poland an additional 30-50 upgraded M1A1s in exchange for those 30 export versions going to Ukraine.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:47 pm to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4390 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 3:12 pm to
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Germany to deliver 15 Leopard 2A6 tanks to Ukraine.


The German government has flip-flopped so many times on this I'm hesitant to believe anything coming out of Berlin. But it hasn't looked this positive in the past.

The news from Switzerland is great too. If you face the wind you can just make out the smell of last weekend's riot act.

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15753 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 3:19 pm to
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While Russia might hold the DU mech armor initially when their attempts to decode it fail China would likely get access.


A client has been making modified starch polymers from corn or potato starch mostly for additives to drilling fluids, since the mid 1960's None of the Euro multinational companies have been able to meet the same specs. China hasn't either. India has almost met the same specs in just a few years of attempts. This company has 75% world market share due its quality and price.

Sometimes worrying about China is unfounded unless it steals the formulae themselves, rather than reverse engineer. Huawei wouldn't have 5G if it had not of stolen the technology outright from HP and others.
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 3:52 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 3:29 pm to
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Or it's about corruption...



Small potatoes there but glad it is being rooted out.

I do remember all the hubub over KBR prices in Iraq. When you have to comply with some stupid specs and logistics involved higher costs will occur. KBR made so much money (NOT) that Halliburton had to spin it off into a completely separate company due it was negatively impacting Halliburton's profits.

As far as driving expensive vehicles goes, that is why in most rural communities, the wealthy wear khakis or jeans around town but have tailor made Italian suits when they go to board meetings out of town. They aren't doing anything wrong, just don't want to attract unneeded attention.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45567 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 4:17 pm to
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r it's about corruption...


BrianKellyfambly and Stidham8 are more reliable sources than zerohedgefund.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 5:11 pm to


Huzzah for flip flops!

Well played to several regular posters who forecast this some time ago.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22582 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 5:14 pm to
The reality is Ukraine is attempting to curtail corruption within its system… while in Russia it’s simply the way things are done.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 5:47 pm to
Not trying to be a downer but i wonder what true difference 3 battalions of western tanks will be able to do. Really had hoped they could get a couple armored brigades of Leopards. I’m sure Germany or someone still has some older Leopard 1s in storage that Ukraine wouldn’t mind taking. They are older and have a 105 mm cannon besides a 120 mm but it’s still better than what they have. The Bradleys will help but they need a couple hundred tanks to really be able to make a move. I also would like to know the situation on ammunition for their Soviet tanks. I know they were supposedly running low and didn’t have a way to produce more. The U.S. can probably step in and buy tank rounds from African countries that operate Soviet tanks still and other Baltic countries but to go on the offensive they will need ammunition and a lot of it.
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 5:57 pm
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7662 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 5:49 pm to
Trust Zalenski?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45567 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 5:54 pm to
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I’m sure Germany or someone still has some older Leopard 1s in storage that Ukraine wouldn’t mind taking.


The Germans have some Leopard1s in storage but they need to fixed and Rheinmenthal has said it would take most of the year to get 100 or so Leopard1s combat ready and that includes upgrading their main gun to 120 mm. That can be done easily since the turret of the Leopard1A5 was designed to accommodate a 105 mm main gun or 120 mm main gun. Greece also has around 500 Leopard1A5s but I do not think it wants to part with any military equipment giving its strained relationship with Turkey. Jordan is in the process of retiring 300+ Challenger1 tanks which could be another source of cold-war era NATO tanks.

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I also would like to know the situation on ammunition for their Soviet tanks. I know they were supposedly running low and didn’t have a way to produce more.



Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, and Slovakia have the capability to produce 125 mm ammo. Ukraine also has the ability to produce it as well.
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 6:10 pm
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8615 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 6:52 pm to
Take it with a grain of salt of course but supposedly 3 more Ka-52 helicopters were shot down in Zaporizhzhia today.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 6:56 pm to
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Take it with a grain of salt of course but supposedly 3 more Ka-52 helicopters were shot down in Zaporizhzhia today.


Sounds like Russia is trying to force an offensive breakthrough. Keep losing troops and equipment and u open yourself for a counter offensive…..
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15753 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 7:01 pm to
You mean the Russian Tyler Durden is a liar?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45567 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 7:01 pm to
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Ukrainian and U.S Intelligence Officials believe that Russia could be in the final preparations for an Offensive on the Northeastern City of Kharkiv which Russian Military Forces initially failed to captured during the start of the Invasion.
LINK

Looks like the pressure on Bakhmut and the recent uptick in fighting in the Zaporizhzhia oblast are just a diversion, or maybe a new assault on Ukraine's 3rd largest city is a diversion to allow Russia to be able to secure Bakhmut after 7+ months of fighting.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15753 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 7:02 pm to
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Trust Zalenski?


I don't trust any politician but I trust even Biden to use more facts than the Politard bunch
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