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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:25 am to SOSFAN
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:25 am to SOSFAN
I think it will be interesting to see the Abrams destroy Russia t-72 however the Abrams needs daily maintenance due to it's weight and bridges over there are not designed to handle that much weight. The Abrams weighs 16 tons more than Russian tanks.
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:35 am to SOSFAN
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I think it will be interesting to see the Abrams destroy Russia t-72
It’s quite fun and easy to do. Just load Sabot, aim dead center mass right at base of the turret, lase the target, and yell “ON THE WAYYY!” By the time obscuration clears, the T-72s turret should already be well into its launch.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:35 am to SOSFAN
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I think it will be interesting to see the Abrams destroy Russia t-72 however the Abrams needs daily maintenance due to it's weight and bridges over there are not designed to handle that much weight. The Abrams weighs 16 tons more than Russian tanks.
"T-72 rolling over the hill; round down range and a one shot kill." An old tanker cadence for double time march.
The Abrams does take a lot of maintenance. Just the crew level maintenance required is a 4 man job everyday (3 man if you're on an officer tank). Everything on that tank is heavy. frick the track sections are ridiculously heavy. It does beat the shite out of you.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:36 am to El Segundo Guy
The Ukrainians are going to lose a couple abrams. The Russians will capture them and reverse engineer our technology
Way to go, warmonger fricks.
Way to go, warmonger fricks.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:39 am to El Segundo Guy
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The Abrams does take a lot of maintenance. Just the crew level maintenance required is a 4 man job everyday (3 man if you're on an officer tank). Everything on that tank is heavy. frick the track sections are ridiculously heavy. It does beat the shite out of you.
Speaking of maintenance, Wonder how you say “bitch plate” In Ukrainian?
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 8:40 am
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:41 am to El Segundo Guy
Also, what's very interesting and even a little satisfying to me is that the whole world is clamoring for MBTs.
For years I've been trying to tell people they are still necessary and are truly the "Combat Arm of Decision".
I've seen and heard way too many times that drones, conventional aircraft and artillery have rendered the Abrams as an overweight, useless relic.
The old 19Killer in me does enjoy the Abrams getting some love.
For years I've been trying to tell people they are still necessary and are truly the "Combat Arm of Decision".
I've seen and heard way too many times that drones, conventional aircraft and artillery have rendered the Abrams as an overweight, useless relic.
The old 19Killer in me does enjoy the Abrams getting some love.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:43 am to El Segundo Guy
Same. I remember when this war kicked off and the Russians were losing tanks by the dozen constantly. Everyone was saying this proved the “age of tanks is over”. No, all it proved is the Russians suck arse at combined arms warfare.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:58 am to Darth_Vader
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Speaking of maintenance, Wonder how you say “bitch plate” In Ukrainian? ?
Yeah the old Bitch Plate. It really was a bitch. Especially after you've been maneuvering all day and it's hot enough to fry eggs on.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:04 am to El Segundo Guy
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The Abrams does take a lot of maintenance. Just the crew level maintenance required is a 4 man job everyday (3 man if you're on an officer tank). Everything on that tank is heavy. frick the track sections are ridiculously heavy. It does beat the shite out of you.
Not to compare tanks with other tracked and wheeled equipment but the fact of how important maintenance is. The hydraulic excavator operator who takes time to make sure everything is greased at the end of the workday and inspects all joints, and fluids is far more productive than the one who can make it dance but doesn't maintain it. Same goes for truck drivers. As related to me by my ex father in law, he owned 4 pneumatic bulk trucks to haul cement to casing jobs in the oil field in the 1960's. Three drivers could "drive 70 MPH backwards" and the 4th couldn't but checked his truck for maintenance daily. The 4th made the most money for him by staying on the road with next to no breakdowns.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:05 am to El Segundo Guy
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Yeah the old Bitch Plate. It really was a bitch. Especially after you've been maneuvering all day and it's hot enough to fry eggs on.
I still want to meet the son of a bitch who designed it just so I can punch him in the face on behalf of all tankers for the past 40 year.
Damn. That just hit me, the Abrams has been in operation for close to 40 years. For reference, that would be like the M4 Sherman from WWII still being the main battle tank for the US Army into the 1980s.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:05 am to wileyjones
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The Ukrainians are going to lose a couple abrams. The Russians will capture them and reverse engineer our technology
Way to go, warmonger fricks.
The Abrams that are going to Ukraine are the export version of the Abrams. We have already sold those to Egypt and Iraq. Both Egypt and Iraq also operate T90s which are maintained by contractors from Russia. Russia has already had plenty of chances to examine Abrams. Besides the fire control system on the T90 is a licensed production version of the fire control system on the LeClerc tank and very similar to the fire control system on the Abrams. There is very little the Russians could gain from a captured Abrams. Besides Russia has already shown that it does not have the ability to produce an advanced tank reliably.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:10 am to wileyjones
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The Ukrainians are going to lose a couple abrams. The Russians will capture them and reverse engineer our technology
A) russia may knock a couple out but they will be the model that was already exported
B) russia has no way of getting one back to russia
C) russia cant engineer shite, much less reverse engineer
D) our best tech is no in the exported version
but keep on, keeping on with the warmonger bullshite
I assume you would rather let russia roll through into nato and spill american blood???
because that is what it comes down to
1) stop russia in ukraine, spilling ukrainian blood
2) allow russia to roll through, regroup and roll into the balkins forcing article 5 response and once again spilling american blood on the european continent.
which one would you rather old wise one??
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:12 am to CitizenK
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but the fact of how important maintenance is.
You're right. It 100% takes a "feed your horse before you feed yourself" mentality. Mechanics aren't touching your tank unless your shite is red-lined. It's all up to the crew.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:14 am to Darth_Vader
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I still want to meet the son of a bitch who designed it just so I can punch him in the face
Half the time you couldn't get it back in place without sitting down on the back deck and kicking it with your 2 boot soles.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:20 am to wileyjones
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The Ukrainians are going to lose a couple abrams. The Russians will capture them and reverse engineer our technology
Way to go, warmonger fricks.
We could send them the blueprints and they still couldn't make them.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:20 am to El Segundo Guy
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The Abrams does take a lot of maintenance. Just the crew level maintenance required is a 4 man job everyday (3 man if you're on an officer tank). Everything on that tank is heavy. frick the track sections are ridiculously heavy. It does beat the shite out of you.
If the Egyptians and Iraqis can operate the Abrams then the Ukrainians can operate the Abrams.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:22 am to lsu777
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assume you would rather let russia roll through into nato and spill american blood???
I hope you seriously don't think this is what would happen if we didn't help Ukraine if so you need help.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:27 am to WeeWee
Having them in a motor pool then shooting a gunnery is not the hard part. It's the daily grind of combat operations that makes it a pain. In combat environments, most of your crew maintenance is done when you're supposed to be "sleeping". Often that means no rest for days and the maintenance then becomes dangerous and sloppy. Unlike most vehicles, mechanics don't do anything except drive the M88 Hercules to lift the power pack out.
That being said, the Ukrainians can operate them, no doubt. However, keeping them combat effective is a hard task for anyone even if they've been on them for years.
That being said, the Ukrainians can operate them, no doubt. However, keeping them combat effective is a hard task for anyone even if they've been on them for years.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:29 am to wileyjones
quote:idk if russian industry could reverse engineer the hand turkey my 5 year old nephew made over Thanksgiving
The Russians will capture them and reverse engineer our technology
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:33 am to SOSFAN
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I hope you seriously don't think this is what would happen if we didn't help Ukraine if so you need help.
hold on, so we are supposed to beleive putin some of the time but not others?
he has said, the soviets allowing the russian empire to collapse and be broken apart is the greatest tragedy in the last 200 years and that he wants to restore it
but lets not even worry about that...lets say we did nothing
what is stopping him if we just give him ukraine? that worked so well with hitler, so why wouldnt it work again
so i need help because i dont beleive in just letting dictators committ genocide and take whatever land they want? please explain
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