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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 1/14/23 at 7:26 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 7:26 pm to
I like this a lot:

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UK government: “UK defence and security officials believe a window has opened up where Russia is on the backfoot due to resupply issues and plummeting morale. The Prime Minister is therefore encouraging allies to deploy their planned support for 2023 as soon as possible”
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 7:38 pm to
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plummeting morale


I know a terra firma cartilage fish that is probably having a morale issue too.

Lowest price in 16 months:



Putin remains master strategist.

Russian TV lets us know US is on the way out and Russia is rising. Russian State TV on YT


The following has proven to be incorrect...


UK sends Apache helicopters armed with deadly Hellfire missiles to Ukraine. The Mirror is a bit of a tabloid we shall see how this goes.

Mirror
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 7:51 am
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 7:54 pm to
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UK sends Apache helicopters armed with deadly Hellfire missiles to Ukraine.


Havent heard anything about that. The 20th should be an interesting day.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 8:06 pm to


Don't Feed the Leopards. These were purchased by a small oil company in Houston. One was repurposed for fighting forest fires in mountainous terrain but CA would even pay attention, water tank with foam system and able to climb a steeper grade than commercial tracked equipment.

The other was used to travel through the brush of the old Humble Oilfield depleted pre WWII. The gin poles on the front were to move any debris too heavy to push. Several thousand wellheads were found. They were drilled in the days of wooden derricks so each had 4 concrete pads a little over 1x1 for the derrick foundations.

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Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 8:09 pm to
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UK sends Apache helicopters armed with deadly Hellfire missiles to Ukraine.


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Havent heard anything about that. The 20th should be an interesting day.


They’re only sending four Apaches and 10 Challenger II’s. That’s not enough to make anything more than a localized battlefield impact.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 8:18 pm to
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They’re only sending four Apaches and 10 Challenger II’s.


Gun to my head I would say those are for training.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 8:43 pm to
I’ve been saying they should have been training on Super Cobras that we are retiring. They would be a formidable match for Russia’s Ka-52s and we don’t have a use for them. You could write them off while still helping Ukraine.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 8:52 pm to
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They’re only sending four Apaches and 10 Challenger II’s. That’s not enough to make anything more than a localized battlefield impact.


Note the AH-64s are just a tenuous rumor.

I do agree with your assessment however the potential for it to make other countries more willing to contribute better tanks is the real benefit in a lot of people's minds.

That being said I wonder if even that small number of Challengers and Apaches could breach the defenses in an area that would allow a Thunder Run and result in a good chunk of ground being taken.

Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:11 pm to
Technically the thunder runs work in reverse from that. The wheeled vehicles cut into the Russian lines finding where they are dug in or have tanks and then armor follows behind basically mopping up the hard targets that the light troops couldn’t engage.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:22 pm to
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Technically the thunder runs work in reverse from that.


Light technicals make up the bulk of a Thunder Run but you still have to have the initial breach. Technicals can do that in some scenarios but it is less likely when faced with a static defensive posture like the Russians are in. Tanks/IFVs/rotor wings are much more capable of peeling open the defense to allow the light technicals to pour through and drive deep.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:58 pm to
isw update

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Russian forces launched two waves of missile strikes targeting Ukrainian critical infrastructure on January 14. Ukrainian officials reported that Russian forces conducted 50 missile and three airstrikes against Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odesa, Kryvyi Rih, Dnipro, Vinnytsya, and unspecified settlements in western Ukraine.[1] Russian missile strikes on Dnipro City damaged an apartment building, killing at least 5 people and wounding over 60

Ukrainian Air Force Spokesperson Yuriy Ignat stated that Russian forces used missiles fired with a sharp ballistic trajectory, possibly modified S-300 and S-400 missiles or Iskander-M systems, to strike Kyiv, noting that Ukrainian forces cannot currently shoot these missiles down when fired from short-range.[4] Ignat explained that S-300 and S-400 missiles launched from Belarus can hit Kyiv in less than two minutes. Ignat stated that Ukraine can only effectively prevent these strikes by destroying Russian S-300 complexes with Ukrainian long-range systems.


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The Kremlin continues to falsely claim that Ukraine poses an existential threat to Russia to reject Ukrainian offers of a peace summit and retain Putin’s original maximalist goals. Russian Permanent Representative to the United Nations Security Council Vassily Nebenzya responded to Ukrainian proposals for a peace summit on January 13 with a series of false claims framing Ukraine as an aggressor that was, ludicrously, “about to attack Moscow.”[5] Nebenzya stated that Russia’s war in Ukraine will only end “when the threat to Russia no longer comes from the territory of Ukraine” and when “the discrimination [against] the Russian-speaking population” in Ukraine ends


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The Kremlin continues to use long-standing false narratives that the Ukrainian government is oppressing religious liberties as moral justification for its refusal to negotiate with Ukraine, likely in the hopes of turning international public opinion against Ukraine. Nebenzya claimed in his address that the “Zelensky regime” is an “authoritarian dictatorship” that desires “to destroy the canonical church in Ukraine—the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.”[12] Nebenzya likely deliberately misrepresented the Ukrainian Orthodox Church Moscow Patriarchate (UOC MP)—a Kremlin-affiliated institution—as the official Ukrainian Orthodox Church, which is a separate entity from the UOC MP.


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Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin continued to leverage the Wagner Group’s role in capturing Soledar to elevate his political stature and indirectly criticize the conventional Russian military. Prigozhin published footage on January 14, which he claimed was filmed in Soledar, promoting Wagner’s claimed role in capturing the town.[15] Prigozhin introduced the Wagner Group commander who oversaw the capture of the settlement and extolled Wagner’s capabilities compared to the conventional Russian military


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Key Takeaways

Russian forces launched two waves of missile strikes targeting Ukrainian critical infrastructure on January 14.

The Kremlin continues to falsely claim Ukraine poses an existential threat to Russia to reject Ukrainian offers of a peace summit and retain Putin’s original maximalist goals.

The Kremlin continues to use long-standing false narratives that the Ukrainian government is oppressing religious liberties as moral justification for its refusal to negotiate with Ukraine and likely in the hopes of turning international public opinion against Ukraine.

Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin continued to leverage the Wagner Group’s role in capturing Soledar to elevate his political stature and indirectly criticize the conventional Russian military.

Russian forces continued limited counterattacks along the Svatove-Kreminna line.

Russian forces continued offensive operations around Soledar as well as in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka areas.

Ukrainian forces are highly unlikely to still hold positions within the settlement of Soledar itself.

Russian forces continued defensive operations and reinforced frontlines positions on the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast.

Western officials are increasingly joining Ukrainian authorities in warning that Russia is preparing for an imminent second wave of mobilization.

Russian occupation officials in Kherson continued measures to forcibly relocate residents to Russia.

Ukrainian partisan attacks continue to disrupt Russian rear security efforts.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5657 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 1:59 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 15 January 2023
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

On 12 January 2023, Andrey Kartapolov, the head of the Russian State Duma Defence Committee, suggested Russia would extend the upper age of routine military conscription from 27 to 30 in time for the Spring 2023 draft. Kartapolov said the move would be intended to enable the previously announced 30% increase in the size of Russia's forces.

Last year, President Putin said he supported such a move, and Russian officials are likely sounding out public reactions.

There is a realistic possibility that Russian leaders hope a change of age criteria for routine conscription could bolster personnel available to fight in Ukraine, while appear less alarming to the population than announcing another round of the unpopular 'partial mobilisation' process.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
21927 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 3:56 am to
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the potential for it to make other countries more willing to contribute better tanks is the real benefit in a lot of people's minds.


Heard an interview with Lawrence Freedman basically stating just that. They’re providing it, in some respects, as diplomatic cover for the Germans with the Leopard so that they’re not going it alone, which would then take the shackles off all the other countries willing to supply Ukraine with leopards.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
30523 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 4:07 am to
While we are watching Wagner in Bahkmut we maybe should be watching Kreminna instead. It seems this is the area of real strategic value (at least value that is clear and obvious) where Ukraine appears to be readying a push.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 5:07 am to
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I’ve been saying they should have been training on Super Cobras that we are retiring. They would be a formidable match for Russia’s Ka-52s and we don’t have a use for them. You could write them off while still helping Ukraine.

Our government can’t write anything off. No one is taxing them.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 5:19 am
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30523 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 5:32 am to
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Our government can’t write anything off. No one is taxing them.


Writing something off has meaning beyond accounting. In this case it is getting them out of inventory in order to avoid maintaining them. This is similar to getting rid of the M113s which were unlikely to ever be used again.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 5:33 am to
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Writing something off has meaning beyond accounting. In this case it is getting them out of inventory in order to avoid maintaining them. This is similar to getting rid of the M113s which were unlikely to ever be used again.




Everyday nuance.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15769 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 5:52 am to
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Writing something off has meaning beyond accounting. In this case it is getting them out of inventory in order to avoid maintaining them. This is similar to getting rid of the M113s which were unlikely to ever be used again.


Or spending money to strip them of the drive trains and all grease then paying for them to be loaded onto barges to be towed out to sea then lifting them off and into the sea with a crane. That costs lots of real money.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 7:39 am to
The UK government categorically denied the story about the Apaches (which never made much sense), and The Mirror withdrew its story about them.

The UK also clarified that it is sending 14 Challengers to Ukraine (people in here have been talking about 10).
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73690 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 7:45 am to
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The UK government categorically denied the story about the Apaches (which never made much sense), and The Mirror withdrew its story about them.


I saw that article. It was linked here when someone first mentioned Apaches. When I saw it said Britain was going to send four of them I thought that was one of the most stupid ideas I’d ever heard.

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The UK also clarified that it is sending 14 Challengers to Ukraine (people in here have been talking about 10).


That same article said it was going to be 10. But even if it is 14, that’s not going to make a dime’s worth of difference. I’d compare it to seeing your neighbor’s house on fire and you bring over a cup of water to help fight the fire.
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