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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/15/23 at 7:54 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 1/15/23 at 7:54 am to Darth_Vader
Latest Perun video on IFVs.
Dayum, Russia has lost a shitton and even more important is the high loss of Command Vehicles.
LINK
Dayum, Russia has lost a shitton and even more important is the high loss of Command Vehicles.
LINK
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 7:56 am to Darth_Vader
14 tanks is a company size element of heavy armor. While not enough to win the war, I've been part of several companies in 1st CAV (1-12 CAV, 1-8 CAV and 3-8 CAV) that could do a ridiculously mind blowing amount of battlefield damage.
Other units i was assigned to, not so much in over 20 years on tanks but 1st CAV was truly a tanker's paradise. No unit in the Army puts as much emphasis on tank maneuvers as the First Team.
Other units i was assigned to, not so much in over 20 years on tanks but 1st CAV was truly a tanker's paradise. No unit in the Army puts as much emphasis on tank maneuvers as the First Team.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:03 am to El Segundo Guy
I was a tanker myself, fought in the First Gulf War. So I know what a company of tanks can do. And while a company can do a lot, in a war the size of this, their effect is going to be local.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:08 am to Darth_Vader
Oh I know. Weren't you a Delta after that?
And they can't have elite level training on maneuvering armor even if they had 1000 Leo's or Challengers.
The only battalions I was a part of that could ever go to the ole NTC and kick the shite out of the Moravian OPFOR was with First Team units. When I went from Carson, Riley or Stewart, we'd get smoked.
And they can't have elite level training on maneuvering armor even if they had 1000 Leo's or Challengers.
The only battalions I was a part of that could ever go to the ole NTC and kick the shite out of the Moravian OPFOR was with First Team units. When I went from Carson, Riley or Stewart, we'd get smoked.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 8:11 am
Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:27 am to El Segundo Guy
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Oh I know. Weren't you a Delta after that?
I stayed a tanker for a while after I came off active duty and went into the guard. Then they deactivated my armor BN and I became a red leg for my last few years.
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And they can't have elite level training on maneuvering armor even if they had 1000 Leo's or Challengers.
If the West is going to supply tanks, it needs to be in sufficient numbers to equip multiple brigades. And they need to train those brigades to a level of proficiency to ensure battlefield success. Even if they do a crash course it will take months.
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The only battalions I was a part of that could ever go to the ole NTC and kick the shite out of the Moravian OPFOR was with First Team units. When I went from Carson, Riley or Stewart, we'd get smoked.
11th Cav ain’t no pushover. That’s for sure.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:42 am to Darth_Vader
From reading the last few pages it seems this board is starting to accept the inevitable for Ukraine.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:15 am to Darth_Vader
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If the West is going to supply tanks, it needs to be in sufficient numbers to equip multiple brigades. And they need to train those brigades to a level of proficiency to ensure battlefield success. Even if they do a crash course it will take months.
In my view, Ramstein will be a failure if it does not result in commitments of at least 150 Leopards for Ukraine.
The fundamental problem is that Europe is hardly making any tanks now. There are no Challengers, Ariettes, or Leclercs in production, and Germany was only making two Leopards per month before this war started.
What really needs to happen is that some European nations need to completely give up all their tanks in exchange for replacement Abrams tanks.
But I think that we are still only manufacturing 15 Abrams tanks a month? That's just not going to cut it.
For the time being, the Army needs to delay its idea about an unmanned platform, and we instead should do a five-year contract on the Abrams X tank and start producing a truly modern tank in significant quantity. NATO needs tanks now.
Edit: I read another story this morning that suggested that the French are now very concerned about the MCGS program and that it might now be scrapped. The German hesitancy to allow Leopards to be sent to Ukraine is causing the French to think about the wisdom of depending on Germany for its security.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 9:40 am
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:03 am to GOP_Tiger
That makes more sense. There was no real reason to be sending 4 Apaches with that system having never been even mentioned as being on the table. Those are still ours and others’ front line strike helo I can’t imagine too many of those being offered up.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:04 am to Stidham8
Are you a broken record, the last time Russia made a small incremental gain you told us “the entire eastern front was collapsing.” That was about 7 months ago by the way, Russia hasn’t don’t shite other than go backwards on the battlefield since then until this advance in soledar.
Nothing in this war is inevitable other than more death and destruction.
It is very much a stalemate for the last 3 months. The capture of Soledar doesn’t change the overall state of the war at all. Still a stalemate.
Nothing in this war is inevitable other than more death and destruction.
It is very much a stalemate for the last 3 months. The capture of Soledar doesn’t change the overall state of the war at all. Still a stalemate.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 10:16 am
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:05 am to El Segundo Guy
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1-8 CAV and 3-8 CAV) that could do a ridiculously mind blowing amount of battlefield damage.
I say Hooah
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:17 am to GOP_Tiger
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The German hesitancy to allow Leopards to be sent to Ukraine is causing the French to think about the wisdom of depending on Germany for its security.
Consequences for electing leftists like Scholz. Go look up his past. You will see alot of Red. The Social Dems are weeeeaaak.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 10:23 am
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:20 am to Stidham8
Stidham8, here's a pic of five BMP-1s that just got blown up near Avdiivka. Russia is going to pull a bunch more of these out of storage to go up against the Bradleys that Ukraine will be fielding.
That's right, Russian troops are dependent on the vehicle that entered Soviet service in 1966 and was exposed as inadequate in the Yom Kippur War.
I kinda think that the outcome of these upcoming fights is ... inevitable.
That's right, Russian troops are dependent on the vehicle that entered Soviet service in 1966 and was exposed as inadequate in the Yom Kippur War.
I kinda think that the outcome of these upcoming fights is ... inevitable.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:49 am to GOP_Tiger
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The fundamental problem is that Europe is hardly making any tanks now. There are no Challengers, Ariettes, or Leclercs in production, and Germany was only making two Leopards per month before this war started. What really needs to happen is that some European nations need to completely give up all their tanks in exchange for replacement Abrams tanks. But I think that we are still only manufacturing 15 Abrams tanks a month? That's just not going to cut it. For the time being, the Army needs to delay its idea about an unmanned platform, and we instead should do a five-year contract on the Abrams X tank and start producing a truly modern tank in significant quantity. NATO needs tanks now.
And this is the reason that European countries aren’t giving up their jets and tanks to Ukraine in significant others. They still need to field their own armies even if it’s at the expense of Ukraine. And let’s be real, Germany and most of Europe isn’t going to ramp up production or start taking its militaries seriously again because we are once again proving that we will subsidize the defense of the entire continent. There is absolutely zero reason that Europe can’t be pulling the lion’s share of the weight in supporting Ukraine. They have strong economies and a robust manufacturing base. The simple fact is that they are spoiled children who know that daddy will come to the rescue anytime something bad happens.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:51 am to GOP_Tiger
Stidham is just being same ole Putin peter puffer like before.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:52 am to AU86
How NATO's Challenger 2 tanks outclass Putin's- youtube/TimesRadio
Discussion on the British tank and what impact it may have.
Guy sounds like he knows his stuff.
Discussion on the British tank and what impact it may have.
Guy sounds like he knows his stuff.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:58 am to Stidham8
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From reading the last few pages it seems this board is starting to accept the inevitable for Ukraine.
Kind of funny that you haven't posted here in months while Russia was getting their shite pushed in in Kherson and Kharkiv. Just a coincidence, I'm sure. But congratulations on the salt mining village you had never heard of before . Kiev in 48
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 10:59 am
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:04 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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There is absolutely zero reason that Europe can’t be pulling the lion’s share of the weight in supporting Ukraine.
Sure there is, thats the way we want it.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:10 am to El Segundo Guy
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Other units i was assigned to, not so much in over 20 years on tanks but 1st CAV was truly a tanker's paradise. No unit in the Army puts as much emphasis on tank maneuvers as the First Team.
Lets play pretend just for a second. Can you imagine if III Corps was cut loose in Ukraine:
1 Cav
4th ID
1st ID
1st AD
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:10 am to Lakeboy7
If it’s a requirement that the US be stuck in NATO forever the countries like Germany should be kicked out. The German people don’t deserve our money, tanks or soldiers lives.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:16 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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If it’s a requirement that the US be stuck in NATO forever the countries like Germany should be kicked out. The German people don’t deserve our money, tanks or soldiers lives.
Germany has strayed but they are being put back on the path as we speak. They have an easy choice, us or them and us has all the money and power.
And give Russia some credit, they have soft powered (bribes mostly) the frick out of Germany. But thats over.
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