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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:53 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:53 am to GOP_Tiger
Year two of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict is showing signs that the pendulum is swinging the direction of Ukraine
While Russia switched to warehoused old equipment, Ukraine is starting to get better equipment then it started the war with.
While Russia switched to warehoused old equipment, Ukraine is starting to get better equipment then it started the war with.
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:23 am to GOP_Tiger
I still think we should go to the negotiating table saying we will provide the appropriate number of Bradleys to operate with the number of Leopard tanks that Europe can send. The idea being that you have one platform each for the Ukrainians to learn how to operate as well as maintain. I just think sending a hodgepodge of different tanks from all over would be a little counter productive. We have sent way more than anyone else and it’s really not close so I think for this one area Europe should pick up the slack. Our Abrams are valuable to us and we already have to send some to Poland for them to send Leopards to Ukraine. We have enough Bradleys to be able to outfit the Ukrainians properly without hindering our own forces. We could even send some Strykers as I think they would perform well, especially in the spring and summer after the muddy season as well as in urban areas. Having one main platform for MBT, IFV and APC would seem to make things a lot easier for the Ukrainians to deploy faster and more efficiently.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 11:25 am
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:40 am to LSUPilot07
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Having one main platform for MBT, IFV and APC would seem to make things a lot easier for the Ukrainians to deploy faster and more efficiently.
You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately, I do not believe that European political pressures will allow that to happen.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:22 pm to GOP_Tiger
LINK
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State Duma deputy from the "United Russia" party called on the authorities to start preparing a mobilization reserve
"Today, new mobilized citizens are not yet needed to solve SMO issues but what will happen next? This is called strategic deterrence," Andrey Gurulyov said.
We remind that on September 11 last year, 10 days before the start of mobilization, Gurulev said that "there is no need for mobilization".
On 4 January, he said that "there are no prerequisites for a second wave of mobilization in the next six months".
And now he called for "actively preparing a mobilization reserve."
He seems to change his mind faster than Shoigu and Peskov come up with new excuses for the need of mobilization.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:31 pm to StormyMcMan
You have to remember that every ranking Military and Governmental person in Russia is walking on thin ice everyday, reminiscent of during Stalin’s reign.
Any statement released by any of them must be considered through this prism.
The life and death stress for them is a terrible condition to try to live and function under every day with every decision potentially being fatal.
Any statement released by any of them must be considered through this prism.
The life and death stress for them is a terrible condition to try to live and function under every day with every decision potentially being fatal.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:23 pm to soccerfüt
This is some of the cost for Russia's advances near Bakhmut.
The word unsustainable comes to mind but Russia seems intent on gutting their fighting-age males the definition of said seems to be inching closer to 8 to 80 blind, crippled, crazy, or felonious.
The word unsustainable comes to mind but Russia seems intent on gutting their fighting-age males the definition of said seems to be inching closer to 8 to 80 blind, crippled, crazy, or felonious.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:24 pm to StormyMcMan
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authorities to start preparing a mobilization reserve
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"there is no need for mobilization".
Get yo arse on the bus Yuri
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:52 pm to Obtuse1
Nothing positive about that photo. It’s very sad. You’d think Russia would come a little closer to being a civilized society than how they fought in previous wars decades ago but they are still content just sending waves of men in the face of automatic fire trained on them on flat ground. That should be on the front page of every Russian newspaper or news show but it will never see the light of day. Things are only going to get worse too, for both sides.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:57 pm to LSUPilot07
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Things are only going to get worse too
Spring is going to be bad for the Russians.
I see now even hardliner politicians (Putin guys) are calling for criminal charges for battlefield negligence.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 5:09 pm to LSUPilot07
It appears Russia is having some success north of Bahkmut in the town of Soledor.
Ukraine appears to hold the north side of the town, Russia the southern side. Very fluid situation.
If Russia captures the town, then Bahkmut's northern side will be exposed.
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1611673510191181824
Ukraine appears to hold the north side of the town, Russia the southern side. Very fluid situation.
If Russia captures the town, then Bahkmut's northern side will be exposed.
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1611673510191181824
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Ukrainian troops clearly in control of north Soledar. The part was always Ukrainian controlled but some Pro-Russian mappers already scribbled some arrows into this area. They can use the eraser.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 5:52 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Sigh. I'm seeing stuff now that indicates that Germany is only going to send Marders, not Leopards.
Did you expect any different? According, to wikipedia Germany only has 104 operational Leopard2s. It can't afford to give any to Ukraine since the German army will be a key element in stopping Russia long enough for America, British, and the rest of NATO forces to be deployed in case WW3 breaks out. I highly doubt that Russia initiates WW3 but even the tiny possibility that WW3 could become a reality is enough reason to not weaken the German military. If Ukraine ever receives western MBTs it will be M1A1 or M1A2s because the USA has more M1 Abrams in storage than total number of Leopard2s produced.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 6:16 pm to WeeWee
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If Ukraine ever receives western MBTs it will be M1A1 or M1A2s because the USA has more M1 Abrams in storage than total number of Leopard2s produced.
I hope they get them but tanks and airplanes seems a bridge too far.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 6:18 pm to tigeraddict
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Year two of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict is showing signs that the pendulum is swinging the direction of Ukraine
Impossible. I was told by the very wise posters from another board that occasionally post here that Russia would take Bakhmut before the end of 2022 and then it would have an open road to Kyiv. The Ukrainians might have slowed the Russians and delayed them but there is no way they can stop them. How can anyone hope to stop the mighty Russian war machine? Russia will break through in Bakhmut any day and then it will be in Kyiv by February 25th like Russian has always said that it would. Russian forces will capture Constantinople by Orthodox Easter, and in Paris by Bastille Day.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 6:21 pm to Lakeboy7
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I hope they get them but tanks and airplanes seems a bridge too far.
I agree. I hope they get them but I doubt they will. The people in charge apparently think that is a red line that will actually causes Putin to do something very dangerous and very stupid if crossed. However, I do not see a difference in providing T72s to Ukraine vs M1s or Leopard2s, but apparently Russia does.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 1/7/23 at 6:36 pm to LSUPilot07
quote:As an Iraq War vet (the second one), I thought I had somewhat of a grasp on the realities of war. Makes my time feel like a walk in the park. Horrifying and humbling.
Nothing positive about that photo. It’s very sad.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 6:56 pm to LSUPilot07
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You’d think Russia would come a little closer to being a civilized society than how they fought in previous wars decades ago
You'd hope so, and I think they were for a while. But Putin is steering back to the Stalinist past. A lot of Russians support that since they see that as stability and safety. Ironic. When Russia banned The Death of Stalin from showing in Russia it was an "Oh frick" moment for me. This spring I read the Gulag Archipelago which wasn't easy but was worthwhile. The Russians sacrificed millions of their own citizens in the Gulags after WWII. From the perspective of the books the deaths of 164,000 of the 170,000 Stalingrad German POWs is not surprising. In the early year of the gulags the survival rate for Russians was pretty low and they had priority over the Germans. The Russians have a history of sacrificing their own citizens for the political expediency of the leaders. I doubt that Putin cares a bit about the people being sacrificed. To some extent the war is clearing out the prisons which is useful to him. People opposed to the war are also being sent and that tightens Putin's grip on power. He's not Stalin but he does rhyme.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:58 pm to northshorebamaman
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I thought I had somewhat of a grasp on the realities of war. Makes my time feel like a walk in the park. Horrifying and humbling.
+1
As for Russia at some point, one would think Putin will have to realize Russia is Luke and not Dragline.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:17 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:18 pm to Obtuse1
Poland makes an order of $1.4 billion in tanks et al from the US.
https://defence-blog.com/poland-orders-more-abrams-tanks/
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The deal covers the supply of 116 M1A1 ABRAMS tanks, which will be adapted to the requirements of the Polish Armed Forces, together with the accompanying equipment, including 12 M88A2 HERCULES recovery vehicles, 8 M1074 Joint Assault Bridge systems, 6 M577 command vehicles and 26 New Generation Shop, Equipment, Contact and Maintenance Vehicles (NG SECM) workshops on the HMMWV chassis, as well as a training and logistics package.
https://defence-blog.com/poland-orders-more-abrams-tanks/
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:25 pm to Tigris
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You'd hope so, and I think they were for a while. But Putin is steering back to the Stalinist past. A lot of Russians support that since they see that as stability and safety. Ironic. When Russia banned The Death of Stalin from showing in Russia it was an "Oh frick" moment for me. This spring I read the Gulag Archipelago which wasn't easy but was worthwhile. The Russians sacrificed millions of their own citizens in the Gulags after WWII. From the perspective of the books the deaths of 164,000 of the 170,000 Stalingrad German POWs is not surprising. In the early year of the gulags the survival rate for Russians was pretty low and they had priority over the Germans. The Russians have a history of sacrificing their own citizens for the political expediency of the leaders. I doubt that Putin cares a bit about the people being sacrificed. To some extent the war is clearing out the prisons which is useful to him. People opposed to the war are also being sent and that tightens Putin's grip on power. He's not Stalin but he does rhyme.
It really makes you wonder why the Ukrainians who Russia claims are actually Russians that forgot they are Russians are fighting so hard not to be Russians.
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