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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:53 pm to MountainTiger
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:53 pm to MountainTiger
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I don't remember them getting night vision stuff before
This is at least the second batch they have received.
Absolutely without a doubt the most stolen sensitive item in the US Army. Even with 2 levels of security Joe finds a way to steal NVGs.
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:01 pm to Lakeboy7
Night vision capabilities for the Ukrainian Army could prove to be absolutely devastating against the Ruskies.
That Cobra Tate poster is an SDV alter, hopefully banned by now
That Cobra Tate poster is an SDV alter, hopefully banned by now
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:17 pm to Breauxsif
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Night vision capabilities for the Ukrainian Army could prove to be absolutely devastating against the Ruskies.
Especially in winter when the nights are longer.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
This package along with the 40 Marders and patriot battery from Germany and the wheeled light tanks from France goes a long way to helping Ukraine be able to go on the attack. Poland is ready to hand over their 250 Leopard 2 tanks they just want Abrams and K2s from South Korea to replace them. That deal needs to be expedited giving Poland at least the first batch of replacement tanks so Ukraine can start learning on the Leopard 2. That would fully outfit 2 new armored brigades. I just don’t think sending Abrams should be in the cards though. The Ukrainians can work on diesel engines but the Abrams gas turbine is a whole other beast and it’s a thirsty tank. I hope this isn’t the last package for a while but with our government right now it might be so I’m glad they sent a nice sized package. You have to think Russian soldiers get demoralized hearing about weapons coming in from all corners of the earth to defeat them.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Read his thoughts on exactly how Bradleys will help Ukraine. I don't want to quote the whole article, but it's worth reading.
Bradley’s are quite effective. But they can’t operate independently. They’re not made to go toe to toe against tanks. The TOW gives them a means to defend themselves against tanks. But they’re not “tank killers”. They need to be integrated into task forces of armor, artillery, & infantry. And they all have to be trained to function together as a combined arms unit. And they have to have the support trains to keep them supplied in everything from rations, ammo, fuel, spare parts, and everything else required to support mechanized forces in the field. The Russians have never fully grasped this concept. If the Ukrainians can, they’ll win this war.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:21 pm to Darth_Vader
Someone really should just take Putin out ar this point. He is going to destroy Russia before it’s over.
Maybe the aliens will do it
Maybe the aliens will do it
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:22 pm to Darth_Vader
Good to see the warmonger thread alive and well.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:24 pm to NPComb
Honestly that’s such respectful trolling, I’m not even upset. Happy Friday brother 
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:27 pm to LSUPilot07
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I just don’t think sending Abrams should be in the cards though. The Ukrainians can work on diesel engines but the Abrams gas turbine is a whole other beast and it’s a thirsty tank.
I can’t speak to the latest versions of the Abrams, but 30 years ago when I was a tanker we burned everything from diesel to jet fuel in our M1s and later M1A1s. The Abrams will run on just about any flammable liquid. Or at least back in my day it would.
One disclaimer though, I remember when we swapped from running diesel, and this was long before “low sulfur diesel” was even dreamt of, to running JP8, we caught hell from clogged up fuel filters. My battalion went through a year’s worth of fuel filters in a matter of a week or two. They were constantly clogging up as the JP8 caused all the gunk in our fuel tanks and lines built up from burning diesel broke free.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:29 pm to NPComb
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Good to see the warmonger thread alive and well.
Do not call me a warmonger. I am a neutral observer to this war, pulling for neither side. I only speak to battlefield matters based on my own experience in armored warfare and a lifetime of study in warfare.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:48 pm to Darth_Vader
Even though the Abrams is not an ideal vehicle for Ukraine, because of its heavy fuel consumption and because it's too heavy for most Ukrainian bridges, I still think that we are going to send some to Ukraine, because it's going to be important as a political signal.
Our European allies are ready to send main battle tanks, but they don't want to do it without the US doing it too. There was a strong hint from the UK that they are ready to send Challengers, and Finland openly stated today that they are ready to send some of their 200 Leopards if most of Europe is also ready.
Our European allies are ready to send main battle tanks, but they don't want to do it without the US doing it too. There was a strong hint from the UK that they are ready to send Challengers, and Finland openly stated today that they are ready to send some of their 200 Leopards if most of Europe is also ready.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:28 pm to Darth_Vader
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One disclaimer though, I remember when we swapped from running diesel, and this was long before “low sulfur diesel” was even dreamt of, to running JP8, we caught hell from clogged up fuel filters. My battalion went through a year’s worth of fuel filters in a matter of a week or two. They were constantly clogging up as the JP8 caused all the gunk in our fuel tanks and lines built up from burning diesel broke free.
Sulfur wouldn't be the culprit. That depends on source of diesel and how much sediment and water is in it. A lighter fuel such as JP would definitely move some of that out of the bottom of a fuel tank. As to source, back then there were a several minority owned refineries who got preferential treatment in sales to the military and the entire reason for their even existing. It was sort of the same system as in WWII when companies got contracts to make things like bedframes for the military, they would intentionally make them out of spec, get rejected then sell to the public at high price. In the case of fuels, these refineries barely made spec grades for contracts. Those are all closed now since that program is defunct. An example was Lake Charles Refining, on the north side of town on Old Town Road and the Calcasieu River. Built then never run until leased by a group out of Houston, who operated it as Goldline Refining or something like that, with a military contract in hand. They ran that thing into the ground and didn't repair much. The idle part of that refinery was robbed of anything that could be sold. The owner who built it didn't care because he was making his money on the lease. Employees were even smoking crack in the plant in the 1990's.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 1/7/23 at 12:01 am to GOP_Tiger
isw update
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Russian officials and milbloggers largely did not react to the US announcement of more than $3.75 billion in new military assistance to Ukraine, further highlighting that the Kremlin and the Russian information space selectively choose when to portray Western military assistance as an escalation. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken announced on January 6 that the assistance would provide Ukraine with Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, artillery systems, armored personnel carriers, surface-to-air missiles, and ammunition
The lack of Russian reaction to the US announcement of military assistance that Ukrainian forces could use to support counteroffensive operations supports ISW’s previous assessment that the Kremlin is more concerned with its information operations and the effect that Western military aid can have on specific Russian military operations in Ukraine than with any particular weapons systems, red lines, or the supposed Russian fears of putative Ukrainian offensive actions against the Russian Federation itself using Western systems.
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Russian officials and milbloggers continued to respond negatively to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s January 5 ceasefire announcement as hostilities continued in Ukraine on January 6. Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Head Denis Pushilin remarked that a ceasefire does not mean that Russian troops will stop responding to "provocations by Ukrainian troops," or else Russian forces run the risk of affording Ukraine the opportunity to improve their positions in critical areas of the front.
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While many voices in the Russian information space strongly criticized the ceasefire announcement, certain hardline elements seized on Putin’s statement to continue to propagate the narrative that Putin is a protector of religious values and morals. Deputy Chairman of the Russian Federation Security Council Dmitry Medvedev stated on January 6 that Putin offered "the hand to Christian mercy" to Ukraine and that Ukraine rejected it because Ukraine lacks faith. Commander of the Chechen Akhmat Special Forces, Apti Alaudinov, responded to the ceasefire with glowing praise for Putin, whom he called a "true believing Christian," noted that Jesus is a revered prophet in Islam, and accused Ukrainian "Satanism" of being the reason why Kyiv refused to accept the truce.[9] Alaudinov‘s praise of the ceasefire on religious grounds is part of a specific and long-running Kremlin information operation that seeks to cater to various religious minority groups in the Russian Armed Forces by framing Ukraine as an immoral enemy whose lack of faith transcends offends Christians and Muslims alike.
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Prominent Russian milbloggers continued to use their platforms to advocate for the eradication of Ukrainian cultural and ethnic identity. Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) commander Alexander Khodakovsky claimed on January 6 that Russia and Ukraine share a "common gene pool" and "spiritual space" that Ukraine is destroying as the war continues.[11] Khodakovsky’s statement is a clear rejection of the Ukrainian people as sovereign and distinct from Russia. Similarly, another prominent milblogger claimed that the idea of a Ukrainian ethnicity has never existed and was manufactured by Ukrainian "nationalists."[12] The milblogger invoked the concept of "Malorossiya"- the imperial Russian ideation of Ukrainian territory as entirely part of and subordinate to Russia.[13] Another Russian war correspondent amplified the pre-February 24 fiction that Ukraine is oppressing Russian speakers and claimed that the war must continue in order to restore the Russian language to the "territory of the soon-to-be-former Ukraine."[
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Key Takeaways
Russian officials and milbloggers largely did not react to the US announcement of more than $3.75 billion in new military assistance to Ukraine.
Russian officials and milbloggers continued to respond negatively to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s January 5 ceasefire announcement as hostilities continued in Ukraine on January 6.
Certain hardline elements of the Russian information space seized on Putin’s statement to propagate the narrative that Putin is a protector of religious values.
Prominent Russian milbloggers continue to use their platforms to advocate for the eradication of Ukrainian cultural and ethnic identity.
Russian and Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations near Kreminna and Svatove.
Russian sources claimed that Russian forces made gains in Soledar as Russian offensive operations continued around Bakhmut and the Avdiivka-Donetsk City area.
Russian authorities and military leaders continue to face backlash for their responses to the December 31 Ukrainian strike on a Russian base in Makiivka, Donetsk Oblast.
Russian forces and occupation authorities are continuing to target Ukrainian children to consolidate social control in occupied territories.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 12:27 am to MountainTiger
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I don't remember them getting night vision stuff before.
They have gotten a decent infusion of night vision from multiple countries, enough to really tilt the infantry night warfare in their favor. It is also one of the things many of the crowdfunding campaigns have bought along with pickups/SUVs and drones.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:05 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 7 January 2023
Fighting has continued at a routine level into the Orthodox Christmas period. One of the most fiercely contested sectors continues to be around the town of Kremina, in Luhansk Oblast.
In the last three weeks, the fighting around Kremina has focused on the heavily forested terrain to the west of the town. With the coniferous woodland providing some cover from air observation even in winter, both sides are highly likely struggling to accurately adjust artillery fire. As is typical with operations in forests, combat has largely devolved to dismounted infantry fighting, often at short range.
Russian commanders will highly likely view pressure around Kremina as a threat to the right flank of their Bakhmut sector, which they see as key for enabling any future advance to occupy the remainder of Donetsk Oblast.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 7 January 2023
Fighting has continued at a routine level into the Orthodox Christmas period. One of the most fiercely contested sectors continues to be around the town of Kremina, in Luhansk Oblast.
In the last three weeks, the fighting around Kremina has focused on the heavily forested terrain to the west of the town. With the coniferous woodland providing some cover from air observation even in winter, both sides are highly likely struggling to accurately adjust artillery fire. As is typical with operations in forests, combat has largely devolved to dismounted infantry fighting, often at short range.
Russian commanders will highly likely view pressure around Kremina as a threat to the right flank of their Bakhmut sector, which they see as key for enabling any future advance to occupy the remainder of Donetsk Oblast.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:09 am to Obtuse1
These latest conversations are mind boggling. So if I’ve followed everything correctly Putin has a fluid plan to blame the Ukrainian misadventure on the Russian Military GRU and FSB. He will claim that none of it was his idea that he was taking the advice of the brain trust. The milbloggers are allowed to say denigrating things about the military but not WG. Vlad believes he can, if it gets dicey arrange a “coup” attempt against himself that will feature his most vocal military or GRU critics. The plot Will obviously fail because of loyalists and people will either be executed on the spot or be forced to admit their complicity in said plot. The move to criminalize incompetence in the Russian Military is underway with the prime example being Miikiave and the 619 dead conscripts. In any case WG becomes a defacto Iranian style Republican Guard whose only real directive post Ukraine War is to keep Vlad alive until the bowel cancer kills him. Don’t be surprised if there is a kind of tacitly approved messaging about why there isn’t another mobilization “why would we put more young men into the hands of an obviously incompetent military?”
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:17 am to cypher
The next Ramstein meeting will be held in January
European Pravda — Saturday, 7 January 2023, 12:56
The next, eighth meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the so-called "Ramstein", will be held on 20 January 2023.
This was reported in a message on the website of the German Defence Ministry following a conversation between the head of the Department, Christine Lambrecht, and the head of the Pentagon Lloyd Austin, according to "European Pravda".
"During preparations for the upcoming Ramstein meeting on 20 January 2023, the main topics of discussion were the current military situation in Ukraine and coordination of further military support for the defence campaign of Ukraine, " it says.
Ukrainska Pravda
European Pravda — Saturday, 7 January 2023, 12:56
The next, eighth meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the so-called "Ramstein", will be held on 20 January 2023.
This was reported in a message on the website of the German Defence Ministry following a conversation between the head of the Department, Christine Lambrecht, and the head of the Pentagon Lloyd Austin, according to "European Pravda".
"During preparations for the upcoming Ramstein meeting on 20 January 2023, the main topics of discussion were the current military situation in Ukraine and coordination of further military support for the defence campaign of Ukraine, " it says.
Ukrainska Pravda
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 11:10 am
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:46 am to cypher
It seems finally the West is “all-in” now. We’re sending Bradley’s, the French are sending AMX-10 tank destroyers, and the Germans are sending Marder IFVs. Now the Polish have announced they have an agreement with other European countries to send Leopards to Ukraine.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:50 am to Burhead
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Now the Polish have announced they have an agreement with other European countries to send Leopards to Ukraine.
Sweet!
Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:42 am to Burhead
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Now the Polish have announced they have an agreement with other European countries to send Leopards to Ukraine.
I have not seen any evidence of an agreement. What I have seen is Poland saying that they could only send Leopards to Ukraine if such agreement can be make.
So far, we now have Finland, Poland, and Denmark hinting at a willingness to send Leopards if a number of other countries do so as well.
It's kind of a chicken-and-the-egg scenario. Germany won't agree for anyone to send Leopards to Ukraine unless there's broad agreement, but that broad agreement also depends on Germany's willingness to lead, which it has not really wanted to do.
But the momentum is building. By the Ramstein meeting on January 20th, I expect Spain, Canada, the Netherlands, Portugal, and Norway to all express their willingness to send Leopards, and (as I said above) I think that the US will agree to send some Abrams, the UK will send Challengers, and the French will send some LeClercs.
The somewhat unfortunate thing about Leopards coming from all these different nations is that they are different models, some upgraded more than others. But that's not really a big deal.
[Edit] Here's the actual Polish statement:
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"Together with the president, we are conducting talks aimed at creating a coalition that would transfer such heavy equipment,"- said Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki
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