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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:26 pm to Athanatos
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:26 pm to Athanatos
This war limited to two countries has depleted the world’s ammo supply. It sounds like it gave everyone a massive wake up call and kick to stop being complacent.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:27 pm to GOP_Tiger
Madison Cawthorn is still around? I could’ve sworn he got booted.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:33 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Madison Cawthorn is still around? I could’ve sworn he got booted.
He's gone January 3rd when the new Congress is sworn in.
Don't forget that he said: "Zelensky is a thug." and "The Ukrainian government is incredibly evil."
LINK
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:39 pm to Athanatos
As a side note, just think about all the people required to make shells in WWI.
Unreal.
Unreal.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 12/22/22 at 10:05 pm to doubleb
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As a dude note, just think about all the people required to make shells in WWI.
Unreal.
What is worse are that some of the factories didn't make any or many that passed QA/QC but still got contracts for WWII, Korea and Vietnam. There was one in St. Louis like that. It didn't shutdown until around 1980. It was right across River Des Pere (by then a concrete lined storm drainage ditch) in St. Louis from a steel foundry I liquidated and demolished. There were lots of rumors locally about the union labor that received paychecks into the 1980's, some long dead.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 5:47 am to doubleb
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As a side note, just think about all the people required to make shells in WWI.
Unreal.
Canary Girls
Posted on 12/23/22 at 7:18 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 23 December 2022
On 21 December, President Putin was presented with plans to expand the Russian military by around 30% to 1.5 million personnel. It isn't clear when this level would be achieved.
Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shigou explained that the expansion would involve at least two brigades in north-western Russia growing to divisional strength. He cited the supposed threat from Finland and Sweden's accession to NATO.
This constitutes one of the first insights into how Russia aspires to adapt its forces to the long-term strategic challenges resulting from its invasion of Ukraine. It remains unclear how Russia will find the recruits to complete such an expansion at a time when its forces are under unprecedented pressure in Ukraine.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 23 December 2022
On 21 December, President Putin was presented with plans to expand the Russian military by around 30% to 1.5 million personnel. It isn't clear when this level would be achieved.
Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shigou explained that the expansion would involve at least two brigades in north-western Russia growing to divisional strength. He cited the supposed threat from Finland and Sweden's accession to NATO.
This constitutes one of the first insights into how Russia aspires to adapt its forces to the long-term strategic challenges resulting from its invasion of Ukraine. It remains unclear how Russia will find the recruits to complete such an expansion at a time when its forces are under unprecedented pressure in Ukraine.
This post was edited on 12/23/22 at 7:19 am
Posted on 12/23/22 at 7:19 am to Jim Rockford
A week or so ago, we discussed the impending impact of the withdrawal of Nokia and Ericsson from Russia on the 31st, when their exemption from sanctions ends. Today, there's a Reuters article on the topic, and it sounds like the impact is going to be bigger than I thought: LINK
Whoa:
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When telecoms gear makers Nokia (NOKIA.HE) and Ericsson (ERICb.ST) leave Russia at the end of the year, their departure could steadily cripple the country's mobile networks over the long-term, setting off a deterioration in communication for everyday Russians.
Five senior telecoms executives and other industry sources said Russian mobile phone users will likely experience slower downloads and uploads, more dropped calls, calls that won't connect, and longer outages as operators lose the ability to upgrade or patch software, and battle over dwindling spare parts inventories.
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Russia's economy has so far weathered sanctions and export controls put in place by governments after Moscow sent tens of thousands of troops into Ukraine, but the impending withdrawal of Nokia and Ericsson could have a more profound impact on Russian daily life, eventually making difficult something as simple as a phone call.
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Government programs to promote Russian equipment have helped telecoms operators become less reliant on Nokia and Ericsson over the past several years and Russian producers have increased their market share this year to 25.2% from 11.6% in 2021.
But the severing of ties to foreign firms is expected by industry sources to set back Russian communications by a generation as the rest of the world forges ahead with deploying 5G technologies.
"If, presumably, this situation lasts for years, Russian cellular networks in terms of coverage may return to the state of the late 1990s, when their coverage was limited to large cities and the richest suburbs," said Leonid Konik, who runs the IT publication ComNews in Moscow.
Rural areas will start breaking down first as operators remove equipment to bolster urban networks, the telecoms experts said, while a lack of software updates may lead to network outages, or expose them to cyber attacks.
Whoa:
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Chinese telecoms equipment maker Huawei, the biggest vendor in Russia last year with more than a third of the market, will continue to provide software updates and continue maintenance work, but has stopped selling new equipment in Russia, according to sources familiar with the matter.
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The biggest hurdle for mobile operators to keep their networks running will be the lack of software upgrades - Nokia and Ericsson said they would cut off software updates by next year - and patches, the sources said.
Software unifies a range of equipment that makes up a telecom network, converts analogue and digital signals; monitors and optimizes network traffic; and protects infrastructure against cyber attacks.
While mobile operators can hoard hardware parts for future use, they are reliant on a regular schedule of licensed software updates and patches to maintain the integrity of a network.
"Unquestionably, software patches are paramount to ensure networks remain operational, safe secure and reliable," said Paolo Pescatore, an analyst at PP Foresight.
Russian telecom operators stockpiled foreign-made parts in February and March ahead of sanctions, two of the industry sources said, but inventory will drop after Nokia and Ericsson pull the plug Dec. 31.
Consolidation between Russian operators at the behest of the government might also allow them to share equipment and resources to make the networks last longer, industry sources added.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:17 am to GOP_Tiger
WSJ story today about Europe waking up to its ammo production problem: LINK
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Europe, home to some of the world’s largest weapons manufacturers, is struggling to produce enough ammunition for Ukraine and for itself, jeopardizing NATO’s defense capacity and its support for Kyiv, officials and industry leaders say.
A lack of production capacity, a dearth of specialized workers, supply-chain bottlenecks, high costs of financing and even environmental regulations are putting a brake on efforts to increase output, presenting the West and Ukraine with a fresh challenge for next year.
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Ukraine’s battle against the Russian invasion is consuming ammunition at rates unseen since World War II. Kyiv’s forces have been firing around 6,000 artillery shells a day and are now running out of antiaircraft missiles amid a relentless aerial onslaught by Russia, according to experts and intelligence officials. At the height of the fighting in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas area, Russia was using more ammunition in two days than the entire stock of the British military, according to the Royal United Services Institute, a British think tank.
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Governments have been slashing contracts for decades, so companies shed production lines and employees,” said Mr. Lange, a senior fellow with the Munich Security Conference, a global security forum.
The current shortage of shells and missiles is largely due to a shift in the military doctrines of NATO allies in recent decades: Instead of planning for World War II-style ground battles, they focused on targeted, asymmetric warfare against unsophisticated opponents, said Morten Brandtzæg, chief executive of Nammo AS, one of the world’s largest arms manufacturers.
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“We need orders of magnitude more industrial capacity,” said Mr. Brandtzæg, whose company is co-owned by the governments of Norway and Finland.
Ukraine uses up to 40,000 artillery shells of the NATO caliber 155 mm each month, while the entire annual production of such projectiles in Europe is around 300,000, according to Michal Strnad, owner of Czechoslovak Group AS, a Czech company that produces around 30% of Europe’s output of such munitions.
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“European production capacity is grossly inadequate,” Mr. Strnad said. Even if the war were to stop overnight, Europe would need up to 15 years to resupply its stocks at current production rates, he said.
British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said in an interview with U.K. media that an extra 500 million to 600 million pounds, roughly equivalent to $604 million to $725 million, had been added to the British budget to start replenishing ammunition stocks. French President Emmanuel Macron said earlier this year that the war meant that France needed to increase its military capacity and manufacturing speed. In a recent speech, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said “we have made the wrong decisions in the last decades when it comes to ammunition supply.”
At present, Germany doesn’t have enough ammunition to last more than two weeks in case of a Russian attack, German officials said, falling well short of NATO requirements that members should stock enough ammunition for at least 30 days of combat.
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This is because, despite being one of the top five arms exporters globally, Germany doesn’t have a large-scale armaments industry, said Wolfgang Schmidt, chief of staff to Mr. Scholz.
The country’s once mass-scale manufacturing has now been reduced to a high-end workshop with small capacity, Mr. Schmidt said.
Germany needs to invest 20 billion euros, or about $21.2 billion, just to meet NATO’s 30-day ammunition requirements, Mr. Schmidt said. However, Defense Ministry officials said that the current budget only envisages just over €1 billion for ammunition in 2023.
One obstacle to rapid rearmament is recent European Union legislation that declared weapons manufacturing not sustainable, cutting it off from some private funding, said Hans Christoph Atzpodien, head of the German defense-industry association.
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Some efforts are being made to expand production across Europe. Germany will co-finance the refurbishment and expansion of a Soviet-era factory in Romania to produce both NATO-standard shells and types compatible with Soviet-standard weapons used by Ukraine, according to German and Romanian officials. The project, which hasn’t been previously reported, could be unveiled by the end of this month.
Companies are boosting production too, sometimes anticipating government orders. Nammo, the Norwegian conglomerate, is working to deliver 10 times its normal artillery shell output, according to its chief, Mr. Brandtzæg. The Czechoslovak Group will in 2023 double its output of 155 mm shells to 100,000, its owner Mr. Strnad said. BAE Systems PLC recently signed a £2.4 billion contract to supply the U.K.’s Ministry of Defense with ammunition.
Germany’s Rheinmetall AG made a €1.2 billion bid for the Spanish ammunition maker Expal Systems SA; the acquisition, if approved by antitrust authorities, will help Rheinmetall boost production, the company said. It will also build a new production line to make 35mm shells for the Gepard air-defense systems that Germany donated to Ukraine.
“The best way Europe can support Ukraine is to increase production of artillery shells now—this will be the single biggest issue next year,” said Rob Lee, a senior fellow with the Foreign Policy Research Institute, a U.S. think tank.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:22 am to GOP_Tiger
I called this 6 months ago and have made several posts about it in the thread. We simply don’t have the manufacturing capacity to support a prolonged war.
China sits back and laughs
China sits back and laughs
Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:23 am to GOP_Tiger
Imagine looking at that cohort and thinking yea
those GOP reps are on the up and up
Edit:
I also remember someone arguing in this thread months ago that this was terrible and maybe impossible
That L must be tasty
those GOP reps are on the up and up
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quote:
Senate voted unanimously for the seized Russian assets to be used for Ukraine reconstruction.
I also remember someone arguing in this thread months ago that this was terrible and maybe impossible
That L must be tasty
This post was edited on 12/23/22 at 8:25 am
Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:07 am to cypher
For those who would like to listen to a factual war update podcast, the Russia-Ukraine War Update for December 22, 2022 is a no nonsense factual roundup.
This post was edited on 12/23/22 at 9:09 am
Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:12 am to CitizenK
quote:LINK
Ukraine’s military said it was inflicting heavy losses on Russian forces in the south of the country in an area that military analysts suggest could be the next target for a Ukrainian offensive.
The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces said that the losses had forced Russian troops to set up a field hospital at a hotel complex in the city of Berdyansk.
Looks like Ukraine has found a weak spot on the far eastern end of the Russian defensive line in the Zap oblast.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:19 am to Highthoughts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:45 am to Jim Rockford
Earning the title of the greatest generation.
Thxs for sharing.
Thxs for sharing.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:53 am to doubleb
quote:
Earning the title of the greatest generation.
Thxs for sharing.
Slow down.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 10:00 am to Highthoughts
quote:Yeah, we haven't seen Lima Whisky in months. I hope he didn't get mobilized.
Senate voted unanimously for the seized Russian assets to be used for Ukraine reconstruction.
I also remember someone arguing in this thread months ago that this was terrible and maybe impossible
That L must be tasty
Posted on 12/23/22 at 10:20 am to WeeWee
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Looks like Ukraine has found a weak spot on the far eastern end of the Russian defensive line in the Zap oblast.
We likely won't know when the US starts sending Ukraine GLSDB rockets (Ground Launched Small Diameter Bombs) for HIMARS, because the Pentagon just reports that it's sending "ammo for HIMARS." But those rockets will extend HIMARS range by 17 miles, and I think that will make a critical difference in the South, where Russian supply lines are already stretched incredibly thin.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 10:47 am to GOP_Tiger
Ukraine’s forces destroy enemy HQ, taking out group of "Kadyrovites" near Tokmak
23.12.2022 18:00
Outside Tokmak in Zaporizhia region, the Headquarters of the Russian occupation forces was hit by the Ukrainian precision strike. A group of Kadyrov’s troops is believed to have been at the location at the moment.
This was reported by Ukrainian Armed Forces’ StratCom Force on Telegram, according to Ukrinform.
"It happened yesterday somewhere around 22:50-23:40. Local sources report that many Chechens were burned in their sleep, along with the Headquarters of the occupation force. The information is being verified," the military said.
UKRINFORM
23.12.2022 18:00
Outside Tokmak in Zaporizhia region, the Headquarters of the Russian occupation forces was hit by the Ukrainian precision strike. A group of Kadyrov’s troops is believed to have been at the location at the moment.
This was reported by Ukrainian Armed Forces’ StratCom Force on Telegram, according to Ukrinform.
"It happened yesterday somewhere around 22:50-23:40. Local sources report that many Chechens were burned in their sleep, along with the Headquarters of the occupation force. The information is being verified," the military said.
UKRINFORM
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