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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:31 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:31 pm to
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Posted by bamadontcare
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:35 pm to
Remember when Z wanted to have peace talks 6 or 8 weeks ago and Biden’s
handlers said no no no.

How many lives would have been saved?
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:36 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:39 pm to
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Ithought Russia had special forces operators similar to our Seal/Green Beret/Delta teams

You haven't heard a word during this war about any actions by the Russian SOF. Did they piss them all away in the opening feint on Kyiv?


Like the rest of the Russian military, they're not very good in comparison to their western counterparts. And the Russians did waste them, using them as shock troops in conventional attacks instead of pinpoint operations against high value targets.

Early in the war Russian sabotage groups were supposed to be operating in Kyiv. If there were, they never got near Zelensky or accomplished anything else of note.
Posted by SneezyBeltranIsHere
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:45 pm to
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Remember when Z wanted to have peace talks 6 or 8 weeks ago and Biden’s
handlers said no no no.

How many lives would have been saved?


No one remembers it because the opposite is true.

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Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:47 pm to
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I thought Russia had special forces operators similar to our Seal/Green Beret/Delta teams

You haven't heard a word during this war about any actions by the Russian SOF. Did they piss them all away in the opening feint on Kyiv?


I would imagine their Spetsnaz is both smaller and lacks the extensive capabilities that US Tier 1/2 posses. Even the US special forces generally don't have the type of capability to impact a major conflict in a way it makes headlines. By that I mean even though they can have significant impacts on large scale conflicts it is still a small scale effort that may have books written about it for decades but it won't see the light of day in newspapers in real time.

I think a lot of them probably died early on due to lack of support and intelligence and the reality is they are probably far less capable than their reputation might suggest. Maybe in the Soviet days it was different. I have a gut feeling the Spetsnaz is similar in quality to better soldiers in the higher US tier 3 units like the 101st and 82nd. We have seen the milk the Russian military is made from so even taking the cream doesn't exactly instill fear in my heart.

BTW I have seen some YT videos about Spetsnaz units doing work in Ukraine in the last few months.
Posted by bamadontcare
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:49 pm to
No. He said it and it was reported. The next day he recanted.

The Deep State made sure of it.

Those are the facts.
Posted by bamadontcare
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:53 pm to
Remember when you still pretended that the Deep State didn’t exist and they
weren’t promoting this “war”?
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:02 pm to
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Remember when Z wanted to have peace talks 6 or 8 weeks ago and Biden’s
handlers said no no no.


Anyone that thinks Ukraine or Russia has been anywhere near coming to the peace table in the last at least 8 months is an idiot. This will remain true until such time as one of the two no longer feels like they can shift the lines on the battlefield. Every inch the line shifts sees leverage gained by one over the other in negotiations. Until one of the parties feels like it has run out of gas on the battlefield negotiations will not happen, this is not unique here, it is simply the way things work and always have.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:29 pm to
Looks like trouble is brewing in Tatarstan to break away from the Russian Federation.
Posted by DabosDynasty
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:35 pm to
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WSJ story today about Europe waking up to its ammo production problem


That’s concerning in the near term for Ukraine, medium term for the west as a whole. Others have mentioned it before me for sure, but makes you think Ukraine needs a balls to the wall offensive ASAP to push Russia as far as they can.

When this started it seemed like this delayed a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan by a while, but as the west runs low on artillery and anti-aircraft munitions that delay may be running out over time if this keeps going at the same rate. If the west gives everything it can to Ukraine, that leaves Taiwan largely on its own unless it’s allies were to formally enter the war on their behalf in event of a Chinese attack.
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:41 pm to
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You haven't heard a word during this war about any actions by the Russian SOF. Did they piss them all away in the opening feint on Kyiv?


Actually, yes they did. Russian spetsnaz was estimated to have around 2000 or 2500 personal before the invasion. Per OSINT they have lost almost 50% of those forces. They lost over 200 spetnaz members on the first day of the war during the assault on the Hostomel airport. The loses to the officer core have been even higher and even in their spetnaz Russian units are more dependent on their officers due to absence of qualified NCOs. This is probably why we have not heard much about them.
This post was edited on 12/24/22 at 10:20 am
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:51 pm to
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this “war”
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:52 pm to
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Actually, yes they did. Russian spetsnaz was estimated to have about 2000-2500 personal before the invasion. Per OSINT they have lost almost 50% of those forces. They lost over 200 spetnaz members on the first day of the war during the assault on the Hostomel airport.



The incompetence of the Russian military is truly staggering. The MIC has really done a good job of painting Russia as the big bad boogey man. The MIC is getting ready to make bank on refilling and growing our ammunition stocks and selling a shite ton of equipment to other nations...that means more jobs for Americans.

I'm not OK with the power of the MIC; however, this moment in time is not the right time to turn off the flow of $ towards them.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 10:11 pm to
I think that Steven Segal has been directing filming of their training.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 10:18 pm to
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That’s concerning in the near term for Ukraine, medium term for the west as a whole. Others have mentioned it before me for sure, but makes you think Ukraine needs a balls to the wall offensive ASAP to push Russia as far as they can.


It would be a much bigger concern for me if I didn't believe that Russia is in much bigger trouble with its ammo stocks and production. I think a Russian shell deficit is a major factor in Ukraine's recent pushing Russian troops back on the outskirts of Bakhmut.

And the article discusses the ramp up in European shell production, but the US is in the process of ultimately increasing its production of 155mm shells by 600%. In the medium term, Ukraine might have some shortages, but in the long term, Ukraine will have the advantage there.

What's unknown is how many shells we can continue to buy in the meantime from places such as South Korea. And how much can precision fires make up of the lack of numbers? Quality over quantity? In this current aid package, that's the GLSDB rockets, the JDAM kits, and the Excalibur shells.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 10:36 pm to
ISW Update

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Moscow has been setting conditions for a new most dangerous course of action (MDCOA)--a renewed invasion of northern Ukraine possibly aimed at Kyiv--since at least October 2022.[1] This MDCOA could be a Russian information operation or could reflect Russian President Vladimir Putin’s actual intentions. Currently available indicators are ambivalent—some verified evidence of a Russian buildup in Belarus makes more sense as part of preparations for a renewed offensive than as part of ongoing exercises and training practices, but there remains no evidence that Moscow is actively preparing a strike force in Belarus.


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Prominent Russian pro-war milbloggers are amplifying the possibility of the MDCOA over the winter-spring period. Former Russian military commander Igor Girkin, a prominent critical voice in the Russian milblogger space, responded to ongoing discussions within the Russian information space on December 23 about Russia’s capacity to renew an assault on northwestern Ukraine from Belarus to sever ground lines of communication (GLOCs) between Kyiv and Europe....Some milbloggers have been speculating about the likelihood of a renewed Russian attack on northern Ukraine since at least October 2022. Prominent Russian Telegram channel Rybar, whose author is currently part of Putin’s mobilization working group, stated on October 20 that there were rumors of an “imminent” Russian offensive operation on Lviv, Volyn, Kyiv, Chernihiv, or Kharkiv


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Putin’s upcoming meeting with Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko in St. Petersburg on December 26-27 will advance the Russian information operation around the MDCOA even if it does not directly support preparations for it. Lukashenko’s office announced that Putin and Lukashenko will meet during a Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) heads of state meeting in St. Petersburg on December 26-27.


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The Russian military continues to trip limited indicators for the MCDOA, reinforcing an information operation designed to establish the plausibility of the MDCOA or actual preparations for executing the MDCOA. The Russian Ministry of Defense ostentatiously announced on November 24 that it has a field hospital in Belarus.[9] The Ukrainian General Staff reported on December 23 that Russian forces are planning to deploy at least one more field hospital in Belarus.[10] Field hospitals are not necessary for training exercises and could indicate preparation for combat operations. The appearance of field hospitals in Belarus in early 2022 was among the final indicators observed before Russia commenced its full-scale invasion


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The Russian military has been much more clearly setting conditions for an offensive in northwestern Luhansk Oblast, however. The Ukrainian General Staff reported observing an increased volume of railway transport of personnel, military equipment, and ammunition to combat areas on December 23.


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The Russian military may nevertheless attempt to conduct a diversionary attack on the ground or in the information space against northern Ukraine, likely in an effort to divert Ukrainian forces from defending in Donbas or in conjunction with an offensive in Luhansk or, less plausibly, elsewhere. Chief of the Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Kyrylo Budanov stated on December 23 that Russia is trying to divert Ukrainian forces from the southeast by setting up a feint in Belarus, noting that military activity in Belarus is an element of a disinformation campaign


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ISW’s December 15 MDCOA warning forecast about a potential Russian offensive against northern Ukraine in winter 2023 remains a worst-case scenario within the forecast cone.[18] ISW currently assesses the risk of a Russian invasion of Ukraine from Belarus as low, but possible. Belarusian forces remain extremely unlikely to invade Ukraine without a Russian strike force. Ukrainian military officials noted that Russia had not created strike groups in Belarus.


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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is reportedly preparing to present a peace plan in February 2023, which may be timed to exploit a failed Russian winter offensive. The Wall Street Journal, citing Ukrainian and European diplomats, reported on December 22 that Zelensky’s team is planning to present an unspecified peace plan in February 2023


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The Kremlin continues to deflect criticism about Russia’s military failures in Ukraine by rhetorically narrowing the definitions of its initial war objectives without formally changing them. When asked about the Russian invasion’s progress, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov stated that Russian forces achieved “significant progress” in its war objective of “demilitarization” of Ukraine on December 23.


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Russian President Vladimir Putin’s renewed public appearances likely indicate that he has become more concerned about his popularity and image in Russia. Putin has been seemingly making more public appearances in Russian cities and more frequently delivering vague statements about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in recent days compared to his marked absence from public activity outside the Kremlin throughout the first ten months of the war


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Key Takeaways

ISW assesses that the Kremlin has been setting conditions for a new most dangerous course of action (MDCOA)—a renewed offensive from Belarus possibly aimed at Kyiv—since at least October 2022. The Kremlin may be conducting an information operation or may actually be preparing for this MDCOA, which ISW continues to assess to be unlikely but possible.

Prominent Russian pro-war milbloggers are amplifying the possibility of the MDCOA over the winter-spring period.

The Russian military continues to trip indicators for the MCDOA, reinforcing an information operation designed to establish the plausibility of the MDCOA or preparations to execute it.

The Russian military has more clearly been setting conditions for an offensive in northwestern Luhansk Oblast.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is reportedly preparing to present a peace plan in February 2023, which could be timed to exploit a failed Russian winter offensive.

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s renewed public appearances likely indicate that he has become more concerned about his popularity and image in Russia.

Russian forces conducted at least two reconnaissance-in-force operations in northern and northeastern Ukraine on December 22-23.

Ukrainian forces likely made tactical gains east and south of Bakhmut City over the past 72 hours.

Russian forces are continuing to establish defensive positions in left-bank Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts and are conducting defensive operations in southern Ukraine.

The Kremlin is intensifying its censorship efforts to silence concerns over an expansion of the Russian Armed Forces and a second mobilization wave.

Ukrainian partisans continued to target Russian officials in occupied territories.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 11:09 pm to
At this point the only thing that can slow Ukraine in the near term seems to be weather and ammunition. Russia appears to be working with their third string soldiers. If they couldn’t make a decent push at the beginning of the war with their A-team, I just don’t see them making a ton of progress now.

I say that with the assumption that Ukraine is gearing up for another big offensive. Give Russia another 6 months to a year and they may be able to play ball. Right now Russia seems to be simply throwing warm bodies at the front, though.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 7:13 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 24 December 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Russia has augmented its force in Ukraine with tens of thousands of reservists since October. Despite the easing of its immediate personnel shortages, a shortage of munitions highly likely remains the key limiting factor on Russian offensive operations.

Russia has likely limited its long-range missile strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure to around once a week due to the limited availability of cruise missiles. Similarly, Russia is unlikely to have increased its stockpile of artillery munitions enough to enable large-scale offensive operations.

A vulnerability of Russia's current operational design is that even just sustaining defensive operations along its lengthy front line requires a significant daily expenditure of shells and rockets.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 7:32 am to
Russian forces hit centre of Kherson, killing 8 and wounding dozens of people
Roman Petrenko — Saturday, 24 December 2022, 13:11



The Russian troops have hit the centre of Kherson on 24 December; 5 persons have been killed and 20 wounded, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said.

Source: President Zelenskyy; Kyrylo Tymoshenko, the Deputy Head of the President’s Office, on Telegram

Quote from Zelenskyy: "The terrorist country continues bringing the Russian world in the form of shelling of the civilian population.

Kherson. In the morning, on Saturday [24 December – ed.], on the eve of Christmas, in the central part of the city. These are not military facilities. This is not a war according to the rules defined. It is terror, it is killing for the sake of intimidation and pleasure."

Quote from Tymoshenko: "People died, buildings have been destroyed.

City centre, day off, lots of people on the street.

There are reports of at least 5 people killed and 20 wounded."

Ukrainska Pravda

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