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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:05 pm to
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:05 pm to
I was reading the board today. I can get their point of unnecessary spending from a pure conservative viewpoint(not my view). Though some where saying they hope Zelinskis plane blows up. That something happens to him.
Very odd. They say they're not pro russia" yet the posting says otherwise.

Saying zelinski should be shot down. Zero downvotes.
Saying "kissing the Russian Icon" on same thread. 30 downvotes.

Very odd behavior.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 7:13 pm
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:06 pm to
This. Most of the "money" isn't "laundered cash" it's weapons systems valued at full retail.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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74325 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:08 pm to
How far right and off the reservation are you, to call Tucker Carlson a Democrat?
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32909 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:11 pm to
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dallastigers


It's illustrative of how weak your argument is that you equate my general insults spanning, was that three or four different posts? with the rabid and particular personal insults on singular threads that the PT has become known for.

But sure, sweetheart. It's exactly the same thing <3
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4671 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:18 pm to
ISW Update

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Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to refuse to treat Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as an equal and sovereign counterpart, further indicating that Putin is not interested in serious negotiations with Ukraine. Putin did not react to Zelensky’s remarks to the United States Congress in Washington, DC on December 22, but instead oriented his December 22 press conference on US and Western influence over Ukraine.[1] Putin reiterated his boilerplate and false claims that the US and Western countries have intervened in Ukraine since the Soviet Union, driving a wedge in the supposed Russian-Ukrainian historic and cultural unity


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Putin’s rhetoric is a part of an ongoing Russian information operation that denies Ukraine’s legitimacy as a sovereign state. Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov stated that Zelensky’s speech to the US Congress and the US transfer to Ukraine of the Patriot air-defense systems only “proves” that the United States is fighting a proxy war in Ukraine, and that there are no signs of readiness for peace talks.


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Putin amplified another existing Russian information operation designed to decrease Western security assistance for Ukraine. Putin falsely accused the United States of protracting the war in Ukraine by providing Patriot air defense systems and vaguely implied that these systems will not perform a defensive purpose.[3] Putin has been setting conditions for a protracted war long before the US decision to transfer Patriots to Ukraine, even stating on December 7 that the “special military operation“ would be a lengthy process.[4] The Kremlin has also long falsely framed any Western security assistance to Ukraine as an escalation.


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Putin is also doubling down on an effort to absolve himself of responsibility for conducting a protracted war in Ukraine. Putin made several statements that Russia seeks to end the war as soon as possible while simultaneously noting that Russia will not increase the pace of ”special military operation” because that would lead to ”unjustified losses.” Both statements are a part of the Kremlin’s consolidated effort to justify Putin’s costly war effort to Russian domestic audiences who are increasingly making greater sacrifices to fulfill the Kremlin’s unrealistic goals.


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Putin’s use of the term “war” when regarding to the invasion of Ukraine has prompted some confusion within the Russian information space. Putin had stated during the press conference that Russia seeks to “not to spin this flywheel of a military conflict, but on the contrary - to end this war.” Putin used this word—war--instead of the phrasing “special military operation” when falsely accusing Ukraine of starting a war against its population in 2014. Putin’s mention of “war” prompted a few milbloggers to state that they have always used both terms interchangeably because “every thinking person knows that what is happening in Ukraine is a hot war,” despite the lack of an official declaration of war by Russia


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The Russian Chief of the General Staff, Army General Valery Gerasimov, attempted to revive a debunked Russian narrative that the Kremlin did not plan to invade Ukraine in an effort to justify Russia’s war in Ukraine. Gerasimov publicly reemerged to brief foreign military attaches on December 22, stating that Russia had to launch the “special military operation” in response to the growing “neo-Nazi ideology” in Ukraine, and Kyiv’s (non-existent) active military preparations to liberate Donbas and Crimea in early 2022.[7] US intelligence had exposed the Kremlin‘s elaborate plan to stage a series of false flag attacks in eastern Ukraine in early February, attacks that the Kremlin intended to trigger and justify a war....The Kremlin had refrained from publicly showing Gerasimov for almost ten months until December 17 and is likely attempting to reintroduce him as another figure responsible for the war as it heads into the second year of the invasion.[


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The Kremlin found it necessary to claim that Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu visited the frontlines in Ukraine for the second time in a week, likely to deflect criticism that Shoigu is not an involved wartime leader. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) posted a video on December 22 purporting to show Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu inspecting Russian troop positions near the front in Ukraine


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Wagner Group financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin continues to seek to elevate the importance of the Wagner Group in Russian military operations in Ukraine in order to establish himself as the central figure of Russia’s ultra-nationalist pro-war community. US National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby reported on December 22 that the Wagner Group received an arms shipment from North Korea to help bolster Russian forces in Ukraine and that this indicates that the Wagner Group’s role in the war may be expanding.[14] Kirby reported on November 2 that North Korea is covertly supplying artillery shells to Russia.[15] Prigozhin denied Kirby’s reporting and claimed that North Korea has not supplied weapons to Russia for a long time....Prigozhin is likely attempting to use his parallel military structures to provide the Russian military with capacities that the Russian military currently lacks in order to increase his influence. North Korea’s reported shipment of weapons to the Russian military using the Wagner Group as an intermediary may suggest that Prigozhin is attempting to use his private military company to secure foreign sources of weapons that would be more difficult for the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) to officially procure.


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International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) director general Rafael Grossi held talks with Russian officials on the creation of a security zone around the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP).



Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:18 pm to
Isw continued

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Key Takeaways

Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to refuse to treat Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as an equal and sovereign counterpart, further indicating that he is not interested in serious negotiations with Ukraine.

Putin’s rhetoric is a part of an ongoing Russian information operation that denies Ukraine’s legitimacy as a sovereign state.

Putin amplified an existing Russian information operation designed to decrease Western security assistance for Ukraine.

Putin is continuing to absolve himself of responsibility for conducting a protracted war in Ukraine.

Russian Chief of General Staff, Army General Valery Gerasimov, attempted to revive a debunked Russian narrative that the Kremlin invaded Ukraine to preempt a fictitious planned Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Donbas and Crimea.

The Kremlin claimed that Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu visited the frontlines in Ukraine for the second time in a week, likely to deflect criticism that Shoigu is not an involved wartime leader.

Wagner Financier Yevgeny Prigozhin continues to seek to elevate the importance of the Wagner Group to establish himself as the central figure of Russia’s ultra-nationalist pro-war community.

International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) director general Rafael Grossi held talks with Russian officials on the creation of a security zone around the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP).

Russian forces continued to conduct limited counterattacks along the Kreminna-Svatove line and Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations in the Kreminna area.

Russian forces continued offensive operations in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka areas.

Russian forces are increasing security measures in Kherson Oblast and Crimea out of fear of Ukrainian counteroffensive operations.

A senior Russian official denied claims of a second wave of mobilization amidst ongoing crypto-mobilization efforts.

Ukrainian partisans continued to target Russian occupation authorities.


Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:19 pm to
Why is this a reply to me?
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74325 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:23 pm to
Likely you were the last post when he started typing based on time stamp.

General info is often posted to the last reply. Not at that particular poster. Like that in most threads that are too long to click back to Op
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:28 pm to
One of my primary complaints about the coding of TD is that it lacks the functionality of being able to simply add a post without "replying" to someone. I think it's the only board I've ever frequented that didn't have that.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10626 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:32 pm to
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quote:
dallastigers


quote:

It's illustrative of how weak your argument is that you equate my general insults spanning, was that three or four different posts? with the rabid and particular personal insults on singular threads that the PT has become known for.

But sure, sweetheart. It's exactly the same thing <3



I guess I should just be thankful you didn’t include one of your patented passive-aggressive lols (maybe “<3” works), but who uses “sweetheart” in a discussion??? I am not sure if you are just hurling another insult like you do or just being gross. Are you hitting on me???

Anyway, my entire post was just quotes from some of your own recent non-gaming posts. Sorry for just quoting your own posts without actually making an argument and getting you so huffy attempting to defend yourself against yourself…
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 7:46 pm
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10626 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:44 pm to
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This. Most of the "money" isn't "laundered cash" it's weapons systems valued at full retail.


Most of drawdown weapons transferred to Ukraine or most of the total aid $ sent/authorized in the bills passed by Congress in the name of supporting Ukraine?
Posted by Highthoughts
Member since Sep 2022
313 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:49 pm to
Most of the “total aid” is comprised of drawdown weaponry.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15788 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 8:00 pm to
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How far right and off the reservation are you, to call Tucker Carlson a Democrat?


Tucker is for what gets him good ratings, nothing more and nothing less.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4671 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 8:03 pm to
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Why is this a reply to me?


Because you had the last post when I started typing....
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32909 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 8:06 pm to
quote:

I guess I should just be thankful you didn’t include one of your patented passive-aggressive lols (maybe “<3” works), but who uses “sweetheart” in a discussion??? I am not sure if you are just hurling another insult like you do or just being gross. Are you hitting on me??? Anyway, my entire post was just quotes from some of your own recent non-gaming posts. Sorry for just quoting your own posts without actually making an argument and getting you so huffy attempting to defend yourself against yourself…


I think you’re confusing me with someone else, because I practically never use “lol”.

And I’m not huffy; I just think you come off as a bit dull. And yes, that’s an insult, and a personal one at that <3
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15788 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 8:06 pm to
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Most of drawdown weapons transferred to Ukraine or most of the total aid $ sent/authorized in the bills passed by Congress in the name of supporting Ukraine?


Much most of it up to recently. Old storage which costs money to store and near expiration which costs money to destroy. Also, the cost to deploy US troops to NATO nations after Putin started the nuke talk.

More recently, much of it is contracts with factories which are already geared to make Russian ammo/artillery shells. Since government services need to still function in Ukraine and their revenue is WAYYY down, some cash has been transferred just enough to cover cost of services.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38457 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 8:16 pm to
I fail to see with issue with using our scrap equipment to destroy Russia without losing a single American life.
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8194 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 8:36 pm to
Europe Is Rushing Arms to Ukraine but Running Out of Ammo

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European production capacity is grossly inadequate,” Mr. Strnad said. Even if the war were to stop overnight, Europe would need up to 15 years to resupply its stocks at current production rates, he said. British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said in an interview with U.K. media that an extra 500 million to 600 million pounds, roughly equivalent to $604 million to $725 million, had been added to the British budget to start replenishing ammunition stocks. French President Emmanuel Macron said earlier this year that the war meant that France needed to increase its military capacity and manufacturing speed. In a recent speech, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said “we have made the wrong decisions in the last decades when it comes to ammunition supply.” At present, Germany doesn’t have enough ammunition to last more than two weeks in case of a Russian attack, German officials said, falling well short of NATO requirements that members should stock enough ammunition for at least 30 days of combat.


Nothing I have read suggests any near term solution the current shortfall.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
20975 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 8:47 pm to
Senate voted unanimously for the seized Russian assets to be used for Ukraine reconstruction. In the House, these eight voted against it -- nutcases of the Left and the Right.

Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38177 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 8:49 pm to
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This. Most of the "money" isn't "laundered cash" it's weapons systems valued at full retail.


Oh I’m aware. The “pallets of cash” thing is a PT fever dream.

I asked what was wrong with us providing already manufactured missile defense systems to Ukraine to stop attacks on civilian infrastructure and got crickets from the PT’ers. All it boil downs to for them is oppose whatever Biden does.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 8:51 pm
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