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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:45 pm to DabosDynasty
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:45 pm to DabosDynasty
I don’t know. I don’t see that becoming some sort of iconic photograph that generations will instantly recognize. Really just depends on how much the machine pimps the image. The war will likely drag on another few years and this moment will be forgotten
Posted on 11/20/22 at 2:20 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Powerful explosions shook area of Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant: IAEA via AFP
I wonder if that was an accident or if Russia has started sabotaging the plant in preparation for withdrawal?
Posted on 11/20/22 at 2:27 pm to Joshjrn
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Meanwhile in Russia: accused war criminal Zakhar Prilepin—who spends a lot of time on the frontlines and previously boasted of "killing many" in Ukraine—admits that Russia wants to negotiate merely to regroup and finish fighting later, any potential peace accords notwithstanding.
Well at least they are honest about what their intentions are.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 2:33 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I don’t know. I don’t see that becoming some sort of iconic photograph that generations will instantly recognize. Really just depends on how much the machine pimps the image. The war will likely drag on another few years and this moment will be forgotten
Time will tell I guess. I don’t think it will become the face of the war, but personally think it’s definitely used widely within the larger review of the war. I think there’s a lot of photos of the damage etc russia inflicted on other cities that will be more the face of the war with Zelenskyy. Just my opinion. In the end this part doesn’t really matter, just what immediately came to mind as I saw the pic.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 2:51 pm to cypher
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Russia's declared 'national defence' spending for 2023 is planned at approximately RUB 5 trillion (USD $84 billion), a more than 40% increase on the preliminary 2023 budget announced in 2021.
Not sustainable.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 3:03 pm to Lakeboy7
I’d be curious to know how they count their defense spending. Do salaries and other personnel Coast factor into that? Or is just buying bullets and planes and tanks?
Posted on 11/20/22 at 3:08 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Do salaries and other personnel Coast factor into that
I think (not certain) those cost are rolled up in their budget.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 3:21 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I’d be curious to know how they count their defense spending. Do salaries and other personnel Coast factor into that? Or is just buying bullets and planes and tanks?
The numbers given purportedly include most everything that we include. The number is a deception in two counteracting ways.
1. it considers market exchange rates which is incorrect methodology, it should consider purchasing power parity exchange rates. For numerous reasons Russia's cost for a round of ammo is significantly lower than most Western countries.
2. it also does not consider the graft that is systemic in the Russian military, far worse at every level than the US for example.
When you consider PPP exchange rates their defense spending is probably 2.5 times what is shown on most Western graphs. When you deduct the graft it is still higher than listed but likely close to just 50% more. Based on what I have read over the years I think it is fair to say Russia gets the equivalent of spending about $100 million a year.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 6:32 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 11/20/22 at 7:23 pm to SlimTigerSlap
Do you guys think Russia’s going to blow that dam?
Posted on 11/20/22 at 7:35 pm to cypher
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Russia's declared 'national defence' spending for 2023 is planned at approximately RUB 5 trillion (USD $84 billion), a more than 40% increase on the preliminary 2023 budget announced in 2021.
For some perspective, the current US defense budget is $1.64 trillion.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 7:36 pm to hombreman9
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Do you guys think Russia’s going to blow that dam?
No.
1) It doesn't make sense for them to blow the dam, as it would flood more on their side of the river.
2) If they were going to do it, they would've already done it.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 7:58 pm to Darth_Vader
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Russia's declared 'national defence' spending for 2023 is planned at approximately RUB 5 trillion (USD $84 billion), a more than 40% increase on the preliminary 2023 budget announced in 2021.
For some perspective, the current US defense budget is $1.64 trillion.
Better reference
84B out of Russias 2.13T GDP is 4%
Usa is closer to 7%
Posted on 11/20/22 at 8:08 pm to StormyMcMan
I thought that this article was particularly good on the topic of US aid to Ukraine. I especially liked this bit:
"US spending of 5.6% of its defense budget to destroy nearly half of Russia’s conventional military capability seems like an absolutely incredible investment."
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"US spending of 5.6% of its defense budget to destroy nearly half of Russia’s conventional military capability seems like an absolutely incredible investment."
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Yet from numerous perspectives, when viewed from a bang-per-buck perspective, US and Western support for Ukraine is an incredibly cost-effective investment.?
Altogether, the Biden administration received Congressional approval for $40bn in aid for Ukraine for 2022 and has requested an additional $37.7bn for 2022. More than half of this aid has been earmarked for defense.?
These sums pale into insignificance when set against a total US defense budget of $715bn for 2022. The assistance represents 5.6% of total US defense spending. But Russia is a primary adversary of the US, a top tier rival not too far behind China, its number one strategic challenger. In cold, geopolitical terms, this war provides a prime opportunity for the US to erode and degrade Russia’s conventional defense capability, with no boots on the ground and little risk to US lives.
The Ukrainian armed forces have already killed or wounded upwards of 100,000 Russian troops, half its original fighting force; there have been almost 8,000 confirmed losses of armored vehicles including thousands of tanks, thousands of APCs, artillery pieces, hundreds of fixed and rotary wing aircraft, and numerous naval vessels. US spending of 5.6% of its defense budget to destroy nearly half of Russia’s conventional military capability seems like an absolutely incredible investment. If we divide out the US defense budget to the threats it faces, Russia would perhaps be of the order of $100bn-150bn in spend-to-threat. So spending just $40bn a year, erodes a threat value of $100-150bn, a two-to-three time return.?
The US military might reasonably wish Russia to continue deploying military forces for Ukraine to destroy.?
Meanwhile, replacing destroyed kit, and keeping up with the new arms race that it has now triggered with the West will surely end up bankrupting the Russian economy; especially an economy subject to aggressive Western sanctions. How can Russia possibly hope to win an arms race when the combined GDP of the West is $40 trillion, and its defense spending amounting to 2% of GDP totals well in excess of $1 trillion when the disproportionate US defense contribution is considered? Russia’s total GDP is only $1.8 trillion. Vladimir Putin will have to divert spending from consumption to defense, risking social and political unrest over the medium term, and a real and soon-to-be present danger to his regime. Just imagine how much more of a bargain Western military aid will be if it ultimately brings positive regime change in Russia.
Second, the war has served to destroy the myth that Russian military technology is somehow comparable to that of the US and West. Remember that Ukraine is using only upgraded second generation US technology but is consistently beating whatever Russia’s military can deploy. Wars are shop windows for defense manufacturers; any buyer in their right mind will want the technology made by the winner. Putin’s misjudgment has merely provided a fantastic marketing opportunity for its Western competitors.?
Note also that the war is also pushing NATO partners to quickly increase spending to the 2% of GDP and above target. Given the US’ technological advantage in defense equipment, a sizeable share of this additional military outlay will be spent on US equipment.
The Ukrainians are also showing remarkable innovation in their own defense, improving the performance of equipment in battlefield conditions, which again brings technological advantages to the US defense sector.
Third, the revelation that Russia’s defense industry is something of a Potemkin village also generates other strategic and diplomatic wins for the US. Countries eager to secure defense capability to meet their own threats – think of Turkey, India, Pakistan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia — might have opted for cheaper, “value” Russian defense offerings. However, with the quality/capability of this equipment now being questioned because of poor battlefield performance, they will likely be vying to acquire a better US kit. But this will require improved diplomatic relations. This is currently evident in the improved US–Pakistan relationship, with Pakistan securing upgrade kits for its F-16s.
Fourth, helping Ukraine beat Russia surely also sends a powerful signal to China that the US and its allies are strong and determined when challenged on issues of core importance. This may raise questions in the minds of Xi Jinping and the People’s Liberation Army generals about their ability to win a conflict against countries armed with US/Western military technology, for example in Taiwan. Surely Russia’s difficulty in winning the war in Ukraine will cause second thoughts in China about the wisdom and perhaps the viability of efforts to conquer Taiwan.
Fifth, the war in Ukraine is encouraging and accelerating the energy transition in Europe, but also Europe’s diversification away from Russian energy. Europe is desperately trying to source alternative energy supplies, and US liquefied natural gas (LNG) is proving to be the obvious beneficiary.?
In conclusion, on so many levels, continued US support for Ukraine is a no-brainer from a bang for buck perspective. Ukraine is no Vietnam or Afghanistan for the US, but it is exactly that for Russia. A Russia continually mired in a war it cannot win is a huge strategic win for the US.
Why would anyone object to that?
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 11/20/22 at 8:20 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I thought that this article was particularly good on the topic of US aid to Ukraine. I especially liked this bit: "US spending of 5.6% of its defense budget to destroy nearly half of Russia’s conventional military capability seems like an absolutely incredible investment."
That’s a well stated piece. Absolutely correct. Thanks for that.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 8:24 pm to GOP_Tiger
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"US spending of 5.6% of its defense budget to destroy nearly half of Russia’s conventional military capability seems like an absolutely incredible investment."
Yep, a rare opportunity.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 8:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Why would anyone object to that?
You’d have to ask MTG why she objects.
But it’s an incredible ROI, so it’s good that the Biden admin has been supportive
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 11/20/22 at 9:39 pm to TBoy
Would have been less costly to help Ukraine in 2014
Posted on 11/20/22 at 9:41 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Why would anyone object to that?
Q predicted this
Posted on 11/20/22 at 9:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Why would anyone object to that?
Christ might object.
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