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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 11/15/22 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 12:51 pm to
A helpful article from Tampa Bay Times and Politifact detailing what would happen if Poland got hit by a stray missile: https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/03/16/could-a-strike-by-russia-on-poland-trigger-article-5-and-bring-nato-into-war/

"If the attack is accidental, such as a stray missile landing over the border in Poland, NATO members would have to meet and decide if it was indeed a mistake,” Cross said. “No one wants to escalate into a broader war just because of human error, so deliberation within NATO is important"
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 12:52 pm to
#BREAKING: A senior US intelligence official says Russian missiles crossed into NATO member Poland, killing two people - AP

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_01
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150146 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 12:54 pm to
So lets just say it was an accident. Good?
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
14127 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:01 pm to
People need to chill out. Russia will claim accident, NATO will levy sanctions and provide additional air defense systems in response, and we’ll all go about our lives.
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

People need to chill out. Russia will claim accident, NATO will levy sanctions and provide additional air defense systems in response, and we’ll all go about our lives.


I think this is a likely scenario
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
1145 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:05 pm to
Maybe Ukraine will finally get their ATACMS or better yet aircraft.

Interesting to see what the response will be. Markets will be down of course.
Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
2100 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

@Faytuks BREAKING: Poland's council of ministers will meet at 9 P.M local time - TVN24


Should hear something from Warsaw soon.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
60097 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:10 pm to
Run roh
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
20353 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:14 pm to
Not a damn thing will happen and the warhawks will be crying.
Posted by Highthoughts
Member since Sep 2022
313 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:14 pm to
LINK

quote:

RT's editor-in-chief posts the following: "Now Poland has its Belgorod oblast. And how did you want?" A comment that won't be missed in Warsaw.



….oof
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

So lets just say it was an accident. Good?
You can easily hit a school, hospital, etc. How the F do you hit the wrong country???

Whatever base was used for the missile strike should be shut down / no longer usable by Russia at a minimum.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:20 pm to
Russians with attitude twitter I think is going to give the Russian side of this, stray Ukrainian Air Defense missle not a Russian missle

ETA also seeing some pro Ukrainian sources saying the same
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 1:24 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150146 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:27 pm to
Meanwhile on the poliboard
quote:

For all we know this could have been Ukrainian air defense missiles that went astray. Who knows.
Posted by Highthoughts
Member since Sep 2022
313 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:35 pm to
I mean it’s actually possible.

Just have to wait and see what comes out in the coming hours.
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17669 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:40 pm to
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Of all the mistakes for Russia to make, you frick up and kill two citizens of the one country just begging for an excuse to push the Article 5 button


It really is mind boggling at how horribly ran their military is. Before this war, I thought Russia had a better military than this, but after a few weeks, we knew this wasn’t the mighty military power that everyone thought Russia was. They’re just like Iran. Only difference is the amount of soldiers they have and they have nuclear weapons. But they don’t seem to have a damn clue as to what they’re doing over there.
Posted by Highthoughts
Member since Sep 2022
313 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:45 pm to
RT tweeting talking shite makes me think there’s a chance Russia actually did not do this.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

I mean it’s actually possible.

Just have to wait and see what comes out in the coming hours.
Could a rocket from a missile defense system land 90 miles away from the area it is defending? Honestly don't know, maybe someone military on here can tell us.

Should be pretty quick depending on how big the blast was and remains of the missiles. The pictures online didn't look like a big crater.

ETA: Looking at Lviv on the map, Russia has zero business even targeting that city. A Russian missile would have to go a very very long way and I can see an error hitting Poland is more likely than a rocket from a defense system running the opposite direction into Poland.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 1:55 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:53 pm to
The key thing is that there were supposedly two missiles. Were they both Russian? That's an attack. Or was one a stray Russian missile and the other was a Ukrainian missile trying to hit the Russian one? That's likely an accident.

We don't know this information right now, and it will determine everything about what happens next.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

Of all the mistakes for Russia to make, you frick up and kill two citizens of the one country just begging for an excuse to push the Article 5 button

Holy shite


Fortunately, Article 5 is not an automatic thing. Poland has to invoke, which they probably wouldn't do because there is still reason to believe that this was accidental, and so there is no real reason (yet) to believe Russia is expanding the war to NATO.

On the other hand, there has to be a "you crossed a mother-fricking line, don't do it again" response from NATO immediately.

Edit: Would Defcon 2 until Russia shows some good faith concern for not "accidentally" bombing NATO soil be too much?
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 2:03 pm
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
6805 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

The cause of the explosion in the village of Przewodow, about four miles north of the Ukrainian border, was not immediately clear.

More than likely just more evidence of Ivan's ineptitude. But, pissing off the Poles, no matter how, is not a good idea for the Russkies. Not to mention their continuing crude missile attacks on Ukrainian civilian assets.



Kill any more school kids today, Vlad?

frick Russia.
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