re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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weapons beyond expiration date. No dancing around the fact that most of what is being sent will NEVER be used and costs money to store and maintain, or destroy. No dancing around the fact that some of what is being sent is obsolete and our own military doesn't want them. No dancing around the fact that the budgeted and spent are two separate things. No dancing around the fact that Putin threatened allies via treaty and legal obligations.

So are you economically illiterate too?

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Have you ever been in the US military? I have and I can tell you you're wrong. They could be used for further training for our military as one example. To act like we have not been giving Ukraine anything if value is ludicrous and extremely narrow minded.

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I honestly don't see how you came to that when I've clearly stated was a give and take on both sides. I get it that everyone thinks Russia shouldn't get anything, they invaded and from an emotional standpoint I 100% agree, but this is reality and Russia won't go away empty handed. No, it's not fair but it's reality and that is how we need to approach it

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That’s because all you talk about is what Ukraine needs to do as if somehow they are prolonging the war.

The fact is Ukraine is fighting for their very survival as a nation. The fact is Russia has already demonstrated their intentions to change Ukraine to Russian. They kidnap children, force families to transplant, and they force Ukrainians into their army.

Any concessions that Ukraine makes dooms their citizens to a life in Russia. It also provides a temporary halt to the bloodshed because Russia will renew their plans to conquer all of Ukraine after they reform, refit and reorganize their armies.

Zelensky and the Ukrainians know this, and that’s why they are intent on fighting Russia with or without our aid. They know their dream of an independent Ukraine rides on what they do now. I think we should honor our pledge to preserve Ukrainian sovereignty. They gave up their nukes based on our pledge, and if they had them now and a means to hit Moscow, I doubt Putin would have done all that he has done to date and Ukraine would be safer.

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That’s because all you talk about is what Ukraine needs to do as if somehow they are prolonging the war.

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That's 100% a lie. Ive stated time and again that it's a give and take deal, the post you just copied and pasted backs that up. I've also said I agree that Ukraine shouldn't have to give up anything but it's not reality. I've stated this is Putin's fault but y'all still ignore what is said and go with a false narrative.

No one has run form OML. They’ve just stopped responding to him because his shite is entirely irrelevant and/or mal-sourced.

Not sure he ever took ownership of quivering his panties over a kimdotcom tweet.

I had a female coworker tell me she thought Zelensky was sexy and had a hard time controlling my surprise.

He has shown some personal bravery but this is a guy who was playing the piano with his penis a few years ago. I did not raise an objection because I didn't want to get involved in the details of her attraction.

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That's 100% a lie. Ive stated time and again that it's a give and take deal, the post you just copied and pasted backs that up. I've also said I agree that Ukraine shouldn't have to give up anything but it's not reality. I've stated this is Putin's fault but y'all still ignore what is said and go with a false narrative.

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Just presenting my take on what you have posted. You have made it seem as if Ukrsine could end the war tomorrow if only...,,,

And don’t get upset, I am not one to articulate my views as well as others here do so I understand things can get confused.

And I have never lumped you in with the Russian apologists who come to this thread.

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It would be inappropriate to the Ukraine people to not try it. We won't continue to give billions in support for eternity. What happens when that ends and the Ukrainian people are left to their selves.

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When the Ukrainian people are eventually left to themselves, they will be a free and forward-looking nation, heading for a bright future.

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World powers dont bend the knee to tyrants, Putin is a tyrant.

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I fear this isn’t true. China and India are agnostic. I think Berlin would have accepted a quick fall of Kyiv and kept the gas flowing, and one side of the political aisle has expressed enthusiasm for ending all support for Ukraine.

I do think this is an awakening for Europe which will prove helpful in the long run.

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I personally laugh every time someone post that weapons and armaments doesn't count as cash when it clearly cost tax payers to buy and make the weapons and will cost them a second time to replace them. So no that isn't being economically illiterate it's actually common sense.

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Apply your common sense and logic to the issue. The USA and the EU have over 300 billion USD worth of frozen cash from Russia's Central Bank. The USA and EU have already started the legislative and legal processes required to seize those assets and both have said that they would use the assets to help Ukraine. One of the commitments Ukraine made in order to get Lend-Lease was that Ukraine would pay the USA back for the aid. Once the Russian assets are officially seized or only unfrozen after Russia agrees to pay Ukraine reparations then Ukraine will have a 300 billion USD line of credit. The USA will get new weapons and they will be purchased with Russia's money.

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How come when you show up the posters run like heck?

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Every time my dogs hear anything outside they bark incessantly… much like OML and his minions here. For a while I responded but it does no good. They enjoy barking to hear themselves bark. Much like OML and his minions.