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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/27/22 at 1:58 pm to
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/27/22 at 1:58 pm to
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NFTs are so niche, and people in that bubble (social not economic) just don't realize how much of the population thinks its Bernie Madoff level scamming.



Of course, but the timing is perfect to do it based on its market. In the future there’s value to history collectors etc in a new age of tech. Not a huge believer in it personally, but I’m irrelevant to the idea. They could make a killing off of Zelensky, could have robbed these poor bastards blind on NFTs of snake island and the Ghost of Kiev.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:00 pm to
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He accounted for the sanctions but not the resistance


I don’t see how he couldn’t have accounted for that. The Ukrainians have lived under the Soviet boot and paid dearly for it. They fully know the consequences if Russia takes them over and know that death is preferable. The only thing you can threaten them with is their kids, which especially means the young and fatherless are definitely fighting to the death over it.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75735 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:02 pm to
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He just miscalculated. Either bad intel or bad advice told him this would be easier than it is turning out to be.

I don't think he miscalculated. I think, for whatever reason, Putin felt the need to hide the buildup to this war/invasion from the Russian people. He and his crew had to craft a buildup and launch of the invasion under cover without the homeland propaganda machine's help. That has been proven by the number of Russian soldiers who legitimately had no idea what they were doing on the border.

He was forced to make certain decisions that he otherwise would not have. That has impacted how his troops have gone about the invasion, particularly the numbers and who are included in those numbers.

Even today, the Russians are still not pumping out the carefully crafted battlefield propaganda that they regularly feed to their people. This has been a, seemingly, half-cocked conflict that almost appears by design. It is like Putin is fighting a limited war with an all out war agenda.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71327 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:03 pm to
I don’t think it’s the Ukrainian resistance so much as it seems to be a failure in planning. The Russians attacked on too broad a front with too few men. 200,000 might sound like a big number, but note the size of the area they are assaulting.
Posted by LSUdude247
Member since Oct 2014
7956 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:03 pm to
So what is Belarus getting out of helping Russia here?
Outside of sanctions
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:04 pm to
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but not the resistance nor the Russian internal mood.


Someone formerly of the state department mentioned that it was strange that almost no propaganda from the Russian controlled media was disseminated amongst the Russian populace prior to this. Might have been Condolezza Rice actually. This seems to support how isolated and removed Putin has allegedly become.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 2:05 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75735 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:04 pm to
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So what is Belarus getting out of helping Russia here?

I imagine Belarus is feeling the pinch of a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario.
Posted by J Murdah
Member since Jun 2008
40201 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:04 pm to
I disagree. It looked bad for Russia at first but I think their initial losses were very calculated
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:06 pm to
It's because Trump was his friend and encouraged him it would be easy to take Ukraine. Trump is the reason Ukrainians are winning.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75735 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:06 pm to
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Someone formerly of the state department mentioned that it was strange that almost no propaganda from the Russian controlled media was disseminated amongst the Russian populace prior to this.

It is not just Putin not trying to rally support prior to the invasion. Russia still hasn't returned to its tried and true method of disseminating slick propaganda chronicling the triumphs of their troops on the field of battle. It is all a little weird.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41399 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:06 pm to
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Also known as a day ending in Y. The media has ruined this country and the world.



You post fake shite on here regularly and then double down whenever you are called out. It took you like 3 days to correct your latest bullshite thread.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 2:07 pm
Posted by OleWar
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:07 pm to
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I don’t see how he couldn’t have accounted for that


One of the biggest weaknesses for Putin has been his management style of his key leaders. For example there are many videos where you see Putin berating his key leaders on Russian TV. This might work for the average Russian on the street that think that Putin is on top of mismanagement and corruption, but what it breeds is a culture of cover up and false positivity.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75735 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:08 pm to
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This might work for the average Russian on the street that think that Putin is on top of mismanagement and corruption, but what it breeds is a culture of cover up and false positivity.

Or in other words, "Yes Man Syndrome".
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:11 pm to
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It is all a little weird.


Agreed. Everyone got it wrong it looks like, no one more so than Putin.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31326 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:19 pm to
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I don’t see how he couldn’t have accounted for that. The Ukrainians have lived under the Soviet boot and paid dearly for it.


Wasn’t a factor in Crimea and the stiff military and potential guerilla resistance is making the narrative worse at home. I mean if it was an easy 2 day war with minimum casualties then you can tell your people you just switched out the regime and the civilians are better off now. But that’s not what’s happening
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87529 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:19 pm to
FWIW OP Kyiv mayor now claiming Kyiv is not surrounding.

No idea what’s going on as prior statement was an AP quote from him I think
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105473 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:21 pm to
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Politics

UK will back Britons if they want to take part in Ukraine’s fight against Russia, Liz Truss says

The Foreign Secretary also warned the conflict ‘could last for years and be very, very bloody’

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By Emily Ferguson

February 27, 2022 10:18 am(Updated 2:29 pm)

The UK Government will back Britons if they want to join the Ukrainian resistance fighting against Russia, Foreign Secretary Liz Truss has said.

“If people want to support that struggle I would support them in doing that,” she told BBC’s Sunday Morning programme.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has promised to arm foreign volunteers to travel to his country to join the battle against Vladimir Putin’s forces.


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Holy shite

Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:29 pm to
God love em, but this isn’t Iraq and Afghanistan. Foreign support casualties carry significantly more weight here.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:29 pm to
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I don’t think it’s the Ukrainian resistance so much as it seems to be a failure in planning. The Russians attacked on too broad a front with too few men. 200,000 might sound like a big number, but note the size of the area they are assaulting.


It’s just he seems so little prepared for this. People like me with nothing major to lose save for my life and the fear of leaving my loved ones behind that also understand communism/fascism carefully (which everyone who grew up in Ukraine does), you’re fighting to the death since you know the alternative is worse than death. Your fear of fascism well eclipses your fear of death. Now I’m not a parent, so I can’t speak for them when it comes to threats to your kids, but there are millions of young males like this in Ukraine.

I don’t see how he couldn’t have majorly taken this into account. Maybe our failures in Afghanistan made him cocky since they just either tried to flee or hide from the Taliban, but Ukrainians are way more armed than Afghans are and have more resources at their disposal. This is just a major, major frick up on Putin’s calculation.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73980 posts
Posted on 2/27/22 at 2:30 pm to
Brett Baier on Fox is in front of a map of Ukraine updating the situation. He says Russian forces have broke out of Crimea and are heading for Kiev from the south. Kiev itself is already surrounded. Kharkov still has not fallen though.

It appears to me the historic stand the Ukrainian military has put up will be coming to an end soon and this war will morph into an insurgency.
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