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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/20/22 at 3:17 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/20/22 at 3:17 pm to
I immediately sided with the underdog who was attacked by the more powerful nation. So yes, I have sided with Ukraine. This is just like I took Israel's side in the 6 day war of the later 60's.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 10/20/22 at 3:22 pm to
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There's a deep authoritarian desire in a lot of people in this country, this firmly held belief that 'things would be better if everyone followed my exact advice,' a lot of which ends up in politics.



It's on the left and the right. Both sides have their factions that would love to be in charge and implement their vision of how the would should be. Whether it's wokism or MAGA. Two sides of the same coin.


Agreed, Wokeistan and Magastan. Credit to Eric Weinstein. It just baffles me how unthinking the followers of each are. Two hivemind cults that dominate our culture now.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5913 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 3:41 pm to
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Sohrab Ahmari, Gladden Pappin, and Adrian Vermeule (along with a larger cohort of conservative Catholic thinkers), advocate a conservatism that is comfortable with big government


Their vision is called Francoist Spain. It’s an awful form of government that will brutalize it’s people every, single time.

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So what kind of politics should conservatives today, as inheritors of a failed movement, adopt? For starters, they should stop thinking of themselves as conservatives (much less as Republicans) and start thinking of themselves as radicals, restorationists, and counterrevolutionaries


Ah yes the failed conservative movement. The great trick these “radicals” need to pull off is convincing enough people that America is a failed state.

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5659 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 3:49 pm to
US Congress looks to approve $50 billion in Ukraine aid, NBC reports
October 20, 2022, 03:07 PM



U.S. lawmakers are considering voting to approve $50 billion in security and financial assistance to Ukraine – before the new Congress is seated in January 2023, NBC news reported on Oct. 20, citing congressional sources.

This would be the largest single tranche of U.S. aid to Ukraine to date, and is being considered amid concerns that the Republican party could curtail the scope of U.S. assistance to Kyiv, should it take control of either chamber of U.S. Congress in the upcoming midterm elections.


The New Voice of Ukraine
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14958 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 3:51 pm to
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Details: The Skhemy journalists reported that a cargo ferry has made a number of crossings since the beginning of October transferring military personnel and equipment over Dnipro from the village of Kozatske [on the right bank - ed.] to Nova Kakhovka [on the left bank - ed.].

That's about 35 miles upriver from the city of Kherson, where the hydro plant is. So if this is factual, it looks like the Russians are pulling out of the wedge between the Inhulets and Dnipro Rivers. Maybe they learned their lesson from Kharkiv.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42651 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:09 pm to
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U.S. lawmakers are considering voting to approve $50 billion in security and financial assistance to Ukraine – before the new Congress is seated in January 2023, NBC news reported on Oct. 20, citing congressional sources.


Before doing this I’d want to know how much we have sent so far, and whether or not they really need all this to finish off Russia. Plus I’d see what the rest of the world is kicking in
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42651 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:11 pm to
Many of these radicals are calling Reagan a failed conservative and his policies failed conservatism.
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 4:27 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:13 pm to
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US Congress looks to approve $50 billion in Ukraine aid, NBC reports


Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:24 pm to
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The new aid package, which most likely would be part of an omnibus spending bill, could be within the range of roughly $50 billion, congressional aides and a source close to the Ukraine government said.
I would double that to $100B but leave most of it as discretionary so we don't have to spend it if it is not needed. I don't want to leave to chance that the MTG's in the House could hold back aid because of their hate for libs.
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:25 pm to
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:27 pm to
Looks like a retreat on the down low. Could the Ukrainian forces have reached an agreement with the Russian forces trapped in Kherson, thus the request for silence on reporting by the Ukrainians so that Russian leaders in Moscow don't catch wind?
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14958 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:36 pm to
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Looks like a retreat on the down low. Could the Ukrainian forces have reached an agreement with the Russian forces trapped in Kherson, thus the request for silence on reporting by the Ukrainians so that Russian leaders in Moscow don't catch wind?

I think the Russians finally figured out that those troops were in an untenable position and are trying to get out while they can. That crossing is literally the only place they can evacuate between the dam and Kherson. Meanwhile, from the reports I see (which aren't many), Ukraine is still pushing hard from Dudchany along the right bank in order to disrupt this retreat.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:41 pm to
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Russian soldiers are reportedly retreating from the nuclear power plant in occupied #Zaporizhzhya in #Ukraine.


LINK

Smotri, Ivan begayet!
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:44 pm to
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Before doing this I’d want to know how much we have sent so far,


Less than $100,000,000,000 and the Treasury Department is currently in control or possession of about $300,000,000,000 worth of frozen and seized Russia assets and funds.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42651 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:48 pm to
Didn’t we authorize 40 B? Not 100 B?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:48 pm to
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Their vision is called Francoist Spain. It’s an awful form of government that will brutalize it’s people every, single time.



It's also incredibly funny to get Spanish fascists to admit their project lasted less than two decades before Franco was instituting liberal reforms. If one were to go to Spain now, there is no public symbol of him at all, for good reason. You can't kill every single one of your opposition and the people you do kill will leave behind their own long memory.

The long and short of it is that violent suppression of your imagined enemies has never worked. That's definitely the world that some of those Catholic public figures would like, but thankfully they are only left with dreaming about it on Twitter.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:50 pm to
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:58 pm to
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Didn’t we authorize 40 B? Not 100 B?


I don’t know the exact amount that has been authorized or spent. That is why I just say it’s less than 100 billion USD.
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
13560 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 5:02 pm to
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Plus I’d see what the rest of the world is kicking in

Like usual, the ROW is leeching off the American taxpayer and letting us finance the war.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139070 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 5:03 pm to
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Oh, this is a long road to go down, and completely off-track, but today's article in The Federalist can be a start.
Right. It is off topic.
However, the Federalist article mentioned Trump once ... as "uncharted waters."

To me, Trump's policies seemed much more adopted to personal freedoms, and achievement than to any autocracy. That's why I asked the question re: Trump.
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