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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:31 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:31 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Meh, there’s actually zero evidence to support this. In fact, nuclear armed nations have been invading soveriegn nations for the past 70 years. What you mean to say is “It sets a terrible example that any nuclear power not named the United States, Great Britain or France can take whatever it wants from non nuclear powers”
Name one sovereign nation that the US, Britain, France or any other western nuclear power has “annexed” by force in the last 70 years. Name one. Just one.
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Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:41 pm to TBoy
Seeing several reports now that Russian forces in Kherson are leaving some frontline positions and evacuating to the other bank. Supposedly, Beryslav has been abandoned.
There are too many whispers now to believe that the big movement in the Kherson region has begun.
There are too many whispers now to believe that the big movement in the Kherson region has begun.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:56 pm to GOP_Tiger
A subsea cable in the Med cut near the south of France AND 2 to Scottish Islands. Something's fricky.
Internet connectivity worldwide impacted by severed EU subsea cables
Shetland loses telephone and internet services after subsea cable cut
Internet connectivity worldwide impacted by severed EU subsea cables
Shetland loses telephone and internet services after subsea cable cut
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:57 pm to TigerDoc
Somehow people will try to say the US/NATO did it on purpose just wait 
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:01 pm to MikeyFL
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[quote]Wonderfully stated. And why I worry deeply about the increased rhetoric in favor of infringements on free speech and academic freedom by both the left and the right in this country.
There's a deep authoritarian desire in a lot of people in this country, this firmly held belief that 'things would be better if everyone followed my exact advice,' a lot of which ends up in politics. But human societies are complex, humans are complex, and most of all, human freedom is complex. Most people won't even admit this desire drives at least some of their politics, but the impulse is still there. It's this weird desire for utopia that I can't quite explain. Human societies, by the very fact that they are human, are chaotic. What is really unique about American culture is that it really thrives off this chaos. I would take life in American cities over life everywhere else because in big cities in the US, the chaos still feels like it has a purpose, which it does, which is to make people wealthy and comfortable. Lots of cities in the world are chaotic, but few have the same drive. I'm not describing this feeling well so I hope people can understand me.
But regardless, the ability to be self-introspective is something that is uniquely Western. In fact, it is a demand made Western countries which doesn't exist elsewhere. In the US, that demand for is so great that we are far ahead of even Europe in terms of how we regard other human beings. I've often posted this article about French-Algerians, but this quote from it always makes me proud to be American.
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“In the 14 years I have been here, I have never really been accepted, neither socially nor professionally,” said Sami Rahemi, who was born in Algeria, moved to France when he was 5 and returned to Algeria as an investor when he was 35. “Ever since I arrived in 1992, I have been called ‘the emigrant.’ I have always been defined by my migratory flow and never by what I am as a person. I had lived two years earlier in California, and everyone called me by my name there.”
I'd rather live in this world we've created, with all its discontents, than to accept anything that could possibly curtail academic freedom and creativity of thought. For me, this war has made plainly obvious the end-result of groupthink, and for me that is enough.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:05 pm to Chromdome35
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:06 pm to StormyMcMan
Sorry...i'll leave them to you :)
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:10 pm to TBoy
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Name one sovereign nation that the US, Britain, France or any other western nuclear power has “annexed” by force in the last 70 years. Name one. Just one.
Yeah we’re pretty good at skirting that line. The fact is the west has absolutely no problem using violence on sovereign nations to achieve its aims. The fact that the we install puppet governments instead of annexing is marginally more morally acceptable and at least palatable to a large portion of the civilized world.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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Still, the difference is that the US hasn't tried to annex any portion of any nation. This is an 'old-school' war in that sense, as Russian War aims are just straight out of the 18th century. If the Russians were paying attention, they should have realized how limited the spoils of war actually are.
First, I think in the grand scheme of things installing friendly governments through force in lieu of outright annexation is a pretty fine line.
Second, in regards to the “old school” war, what we’ve seen since the end of WWII has been an anomaly compared to the entirety of world history. What Russia is doing is in fact the most “normal” way to conduct war.
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The fact that Western weaponry is superior is tied to the fact that Western societies have a great deal of individual freedom.
It also has to do with having a prosperous and relatively educated middle class. Which of course comes from freedom. A healthy middle class produces good junior officers and NCOs which are how modern wars are won.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:20 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Yeah we’re pretty good at skirting that line. The fact is the west has absolutely no problem using violence on sovereign nations to achieve its aims.
Sure, the US takes care of its business, like against Bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan, but we don't conquer and absorb foreign peoples into America. In every case where the US has invaded another country or gone to war over something (whether rightly or wrongly), we gave the country back to its people and left when we were done.
Russia is engaging in a war of conquest and domination, expanding its borders by force. That action IS different. Western nuclear powers including the US don't do this in the modern age. What Russia is doing is expanding its borders by the military conquest to exert permanent total control over the people of another sovereign state, backed up by nuclear threats. It is very different.
You cannot name a single instance of this by a western nuclear power in the last 70 years because there are absolutely no instances of it happening.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:21 pm to TBoy
Why did you cut off the second sentence in my post that literally addressed your reply?
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:22 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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A healthy middle class produces good junior officers and NCOs which are how modern wars are won.
Even if Russia's middle class was on par with the US middle class, the lack of a military philosophy that puts value on the NCO and local initiative would still cripple Russia's military.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:23 pm to Chromdome35
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Even if Russia's middle class was on par with the US middle class, the lack of a military philosophy that puts value on the NCO and local initiative would still cripple Russia's military.
Well now you’re just getting into a chicken and the egg scenario.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:27 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:you are so smart!
Told y’all western propaganda and psychological warfare is top notch.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:28 pm to WestCoastAg
I know, it’s my cross to bear
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:29 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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First, I think in the grand scheme of things installing friendly governments through force in lieu of outright annexation is a pretty fine line.
We barely were able to install that in Iraq. In fact, the success record of being able to have a long-lasting friendly government through war is pretty sparse.
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Second, in regards to the “old school” war, what we’ve seen since the end of WWII has been an anomaly compared to the entirety of world history. What Russia is doing is in fact the most “normal” way to conduct war.
Well, each war has its own character. A war for the purpose of annexation hasn't been done since before WWII, and even then, I'm having a brain fart in terms of thinking of an example in the 20th century.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:29 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Well now you’re just getting into a chicken and the egg scenario.
It's not a chicken and egg scenario, by your logic the only way for Russia to field a competent military is for them to build up their middle class thereby providing their military with competent Jr Officers and NCOs.
As far as I know, Russia hasn't ever had a prosperous middle class which is a result of its political system.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:29 pm to TBoy
quote:Shalom.
You cannot name a single instance of this by a western nuclear power in the last 70 years because there are absolutely no instances of it happening.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:30 pm to crazy4lsu
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There's a deep authoritarian desire in a lot of people in this country, this firmly held belief that 'things would be better if everyone followed my exact advice,' a lot of which ends up in politics.
It's on the left and the right. Both sides have their factions that would love to be in charge and implement their vision of how the would should be. Whether it's wokism or MAGA. Two sides of the same coin.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:30 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
You are so above it all. Not choosing a side! Saying the west engages in propaganda! Wow. Just so smart
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