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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:32 pm to Chromdome35
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:32 pm to Chromdome35
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It's not a chicken and egg scenario, by your logic the only way for Russia to field a competent military is for them to build up their middle class thereby providing their military with competent Jr Officers and NCOs. As far as I know, Russia hasn't ever had a prosperous middle class which is a result of its political system.
I think that’s exactly the thought I was trying to convey. If it wasn’t clear then my apologies.
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Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:34 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:Interesting.
Whether it's wokism or MAGA.
Can you tease out the authoritarianism inherent in MAGA?
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:35 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:I mean, I’m just not emotionally invested in who wins this war. Despite what some “experts” say I don’t think the outcome is going to affect my life in any serious way unless nukes start flying. I’ve said as much many times in this thread.
You are so above it all. Not choosing a side!
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Saying the west engages in propaganda!
Are you suggesting that we don’t? I mean hell, I’ve even given our guys credit for being so much better at it than the Russians. Those aren’t really deniable statements.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:36 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:39 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Maybe we should try annexing then. Clearly the alternative doesn’t work.
We barely were able to install that in Iraq. In fact, the success record of being able to have a long-lasting friendly government through war is pretty sparse.
quote:Several Middle East countries tried to take over Israel a couple times. North Vietnam annexed South Vietnam although I guess you could technically call that a war of reunification if you wanted to be cute with words. I’m sure it’s happened a couple times in Africa as well. It just hasn’t happened in the the major sphere or western influence.
A war for the purpose of annexation hasn't been done since before WWII, and even then, I'm having a brain fart in terms of thinking of an example in the 20th century.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:43 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Would the Russia/Afghanistan war be considered a war of annexation?
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:44 pm to Chromdome35
Probably not. Maybe?
Also I forgot Iraq invaded Kuwait and probably would’ve annexed had we not intervened.
Also I forgot Iraq invaded Kuwait and probably would’ve annexed had we not intervened.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:47 pm to Chromdome35
No, the Russians occupied Afghanistan to try to prop up a government they had installed. They never tried to annex it.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:47 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Maybe we should try annexing then. Clearly the alternative doesn’t work.
I suspect annexation won't work either.
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Several Middle East countries tried to take over Israel a couple times.
That's a bit of a stretch. The first war should be regarded as a civil war, the second was about control of the Suez Canal, and the Yom Kippur War was about Egypt trying to gain leverage for negotiations for the eventual return of the Sinai Peninsula.
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I’m sure it’s happened a couple times in Africa as well.
Many wars were for independence and then ethnic rivalries. I don't recall any annexations per se.
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It just hasn’t happened in the the major sphere or western influence.
I'm almost 100% sure there hasn't been a case of annexation through war that has been accepted by the international community.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:49 pm to crazy4lsu
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Poland will obviously have to be more careful, but they could very easily justify an operation in Ukraine to protect Polish interests.
Poland needs a buffer, the Russians are acting aggressively
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:59 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
LINK
Take a look. These are nuclear tests. Nothing flying but certainly intent.
Take a look. These are nuclear tests. Nothing flying but certainly intent.
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:59 pm to Lakeboy7
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Poland needs a buffer, the Russians are acting aggressively
Ostpreußen needs to be made whole.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 2:17 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Face it guys, most of you have picked a side and that’s fine and all well and good. Viva Ukraine or whatever. But most of yall need to stop pretending that you’re anymore invested in this war than you are on the game threads on the rant. And you homer for Ukraine the exact same way people do on the rant.
Picked a side? This isn’t a sports event. It’s a war where a bigger country ruled by a dictator decided to take land from a smaller neighbor.
As taxpayers we are very much invested in this war. I support our aid for Ukraine 100%.
I’m much older than you and Russia has been nothing more than a dictatorship during every year of my life.
The world has evolved. Russia hasn’t. They still want to take whatever they want from the countries that surround them.
Times’s up, Russia. Can’t be a bully anymore.
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 2:21 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Also I forgot Iraq invaded Kuwait and probably would’ve annexed had we not intervened.
That’s right. We don’t annex other countries, we keep them from being annexed.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 2:24 pm to Chromdome35
No, i wouldnt consider it that.
I would say Russian was probably there to bolster the current communist regime that was already in Afghanistan at that time.
However, once the Islamic Revolution happened in Iran and as more Muslims realized communism was an atheist ideology they weren't going to have it anymore with the Russians
I would say Russian was probably there to bolster the current communist regime that was already in Afghanistan at that time.
However, once the Islamic Revolution happened in Iran and as more Muslims realized communism was an atheist ideology they weren't going to have it anymore with the Russians
Posted on 10/20/22 at 2:24 pm to Kentucker
LINK
With GOP skeptics of Ukraine aid poised to gain seats in Congress, lawmakers look to lock in a huge military assistance package
With GOP skeptics of Ukraine aid poised to gain seats in Congress, lawmakers look to lock in a huge military assistance package
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Amid concerns that a new Congress could take a more skeptical view of aid to Ukraine, lawmakers from both parties are looking to lock in billions of dollars in military assistance to Kyiv before newly elected members are sworn in in January, according to a lawmaker and congressional staffers.
House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy of California, who is poised to take over as speaker if the GOP wins a majority in the House in the November midterm elections, warned this week that his fellow party members are “not going to write a blank check to Ukraine.”
With that threat to Ukraine aid looming, the bipartisan idea under consideration would use a government funding bill during the lame-duck session after the midterms to secure a much higher level of military and other assistance than prior aid packages for Ukraine, according to the lawmaker and the aides.
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Congress last month approved $12 billion in military and economic aid to Ukraine, but the package being contemplated would be dramatically larger, the sources said.
The amount would be enough “to make sure [Ukraine] can get through the year,” a Republican senator with knowledge of the matter told NBC News. “It’ll make the $12 billion look like pocket change.”
The new aid package, which most likely would be part of an omnibus spending bill, could be within the range of roughly $50 billion, congressional aides and a source close to the Ukraine government said. The Biden administration has not yet made a formal request for new funding.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 2:34 pm to Chromdome35
That’s actually extremely hard to do especially in a beast like the Hind. Just another example proving what type of skill Ukrainian pilots have. They might end up being some of the very best in the world after this war simply because they have gotten more real combat experience where you are the big underdog in aviation power than just about all nations on earth combined. It’s getting borderline criminal that out of all the western fighter we have between all the different countries that we can’t agree on sending them 2-3 squadrons worth of one type of fighter when that would truly make an immense difference in that conflict. 3 squadrons of Swedish Gripens and 2 squadrons of U.S. Super Cobra attack helicopters which we are retired now from our forces could shift the balance of power in Ukraine’s favor for good.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 2:37 pm to NC_Tigah
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Can you tease out the authoritarianism inherent in MAGA?
Oh, this is a long road to go down, and completely off-track, but today's article in The Federalist can be a start. LINK
We Need To Stop Calling Ourselves Conservatives
The conservative project has failed, and conservatives need to forge a new political identity that reflects our revolutionary moment.
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So what kind of politics should conservatives today, as inheritors of a failed movement, adopt? For starters, they should stop thinking of themselves as conservatives (much less as Republicans) and start thinking of themselves as radicals, restorationists, and counterrevolutionaries. Indeed, that is what they are, whether they embrace those labels or not.
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To be sure, there has been plenty of talk on the right lately about what should be done differently now. Some, such as Sohrab Ahmari, Gladden Pappin, and Adrian Vermeule (along with a larger cohort of conservative Catholic thinkers), advocate a conservatism that is comfortable with big government and in fact sees it as necessary not only for the common good but to tame what Ahmari recently called the “private tyranny” of woke corporations empowered by unrestrained market forces. Conservative Catholics, he argues, should today claim ownership of a pro-worker, even pro-union political agenda that once belonged to the left, and which produced generations of Democrat-voting Catholic workers.
Indeed, a willingness to embrace government power has been a topic of fruitful debate on the “New Right” in recent years, as it should be. However uncomfortable traditional “small-government” conservatives might be with Ahmari’s argument, it is more or less true.
Put bluntly, if conservatives want to save the country they are going to have to rebuild and in a sense re-found it, and that means getting used to the idea of wielding power, not despising it.
I'm not going to argue about this, but if you're honestly interested, I wanted you to know that the New Right is open about using government power to impose its vision of the common good.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 2:49 pm to GOP_Tiger
Russian army transfers equipment to Dnipro’s left bank after Ukrainian forces’ successful advance in Kherson Oblast
— Thursday, 20 October 2022, 13:12
Russian occupation forces are transferring their military equipment and personnel from the right bank of the River Dnipro to the left bank in Kherson Oblast following recent successes of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in liberating the oblast.
Source: Skhemy, an investigative branch of Radio Svoboda (Radio Liberty); Radio Svoboda (Radio Liberty) Russian service
Quote: "The occupiers are transferring their military equipment and personnel from the left to the right bank of the River Dnipro in Kherson Oblast amidst the recent decisive successes of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in liberating part of the region and their plans to further liberate the oblast, and their announcement that they intend to liberate the city of Kherson."
Details: The Skhemy journalists reported that a cargo ferry has made a number of crossings since the beginning of October transferring military personnel and equipment over Dnipro from the village of Kozatske [on the right bank - ed.] to Nova Kakhovka [on the left bank - ed.].
Satellite images obtained by the journalists and the videos shared by Russian occupation forces on social media bear out the journalists’ conclusion.
Ukrainska Pravda.
The Skhemy journalists have been able to identify the location where the video was recorded. They have established that the video was recorded near Dnipro’s right bank, in the vicinity of the village of Kozatske. The ferry carrying Russian military equipment was moving along the canal, via Kozatskyi Island and towards Nova Kakhovka.
— Thursday, 20 October 2022, 13:12
Russian occupation forces are transferring their military equipment and personnel from the right bank of the River Dnipro to the left bank in Kherson Oblast following recent successes of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in liberating the oblast.
Source: Skhemy, an investigative branch of Radio Svoboda (Radio Liberty); Radio Svoboda (Radio Liberty) Russian service
Quote: "The occupiers are transferring their military equipment and personnel from the left to the right bank of the River Dnipro in Kherson Oblast amidst the recent decisive successes of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in liberating part of the region and their plans to further liberate the oblast, and their announcement that they intend to liberate the city of Kherson."
Details: The Skhemy journalists reported that a cargo ferry has made a number of crossings since the beginning of October transferring military personnel and equipment over Dnipro from the village of Kozatske [on the right bank - ed.] to Nova Kakhovka [on the left bank - ed.].
Satellite images obtained by the journalists and the videos shared by Russian occupation forces on social media bear out the journalists’ conclusion.
Ukrainska Pravda.
The Skhemy journalists have been able to identify the location where the video was recorded. They have established that the video was recorded near Dnipro’s right bank, in the vicinity of the village of Kozatske. The ferry carrying Russian military equipment was moving along the canal, via Kozatskyi Island and towards Nova Kakhovka.
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 3:15 pm to dtett
the US has been at something like Defcom nothing for a long time.
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