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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/20/22 at 11:33 am to WDE24
Posted on 10/20/22 at 11:33 am to WDE24
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I know for sure the 70% number is off base
How far off base would you say? Do you truly believe that 70% of the regular posters in this thread are not die hard Ukraine supporters?
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Posted on 10/20/22 at 11:34 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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that the 70% number is wildly off base
this
almost everyone in this thread has said russia invading ukraine doesnt make ukraine some beacon of truth or suddenly make them good people.
ukraine is a fricked up country....so is russia. both societies are shitholes in general with shite tons of corruption
as far as war crimes....certainly ukraine has committed plenty, same with russia. both countries suck dick.
most in here only want ukraine to win for a couple reasons
1) russia invaded a sovereign country
2) russia historically is our biggest geo-political foe and is a much bigger threat on the world stage than ukraine could ever be
3) it sets a terrible example that a nuclear power can take whatever it wants from non nuclear powers
4) it makes china step back and do a double take on their goals
you on the other hand seem to be only pulling for russia because you feel it makes biden look bad and becaues ukraine is the money laundering capital for the dems.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 11:34 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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How far off base would you say? Do you truly believe that 70% of the regular posters in this thread are not die hard Ukraine supporters?
Why don’t your prove your own statement before you ask us to argue against a lie
Posted on 10/20/22 at 11:36 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Well, at least we got 1 page of updates before the next 10 pages of bullshite arrive
Do you truly believe that 70% of the regular posters in this thread are not die hard Ukraine supporters?
Posted on 10/20/22 at 11:37 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Yep. Nasty people.
when the Ukrainians were killing Russian POWs on video.
However, with Russian forces in Ukraine, Ukrainians are disproportionately afflicted.
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Possible war crimes investigated by Amnesty International’s Crisis Evidence Lab
*This list is regularly updated
• 17 February: kindergarten shelled in the town of Stanytsia Luhanska, wounding three civilians.
• 24 February: ballistic missile hits hospital in Vuhledar, killing four civilians.
• 24 February: residential block struck in Kharkiv, killing one man.
• 24 February: civilian killed in Uman.
• 25 February, banned cluster munitions attack on preschool in Okhtyrka, killing three civilians, including a child.
• 25 February: missile damaged School No. 48 in Mariupol.
• 26 February: explosive weapon, most likely an artillery shell, hit the second story of a kindergarten in Chernihiv.
• 28 February: cluster munition attack killed four civilians, including a child, and three people collecting drinking water in Kharkiv.
• 28 February: strikes on Klochkovskaya Street in Kharkiv injure civilians, including a woman who later died.
• 28 February: cluster munitions hit car park, injuring multiple civilians in Kharkiv.
• 03 March: dumb bomb attack in Chernihiv reportedly kills 47 people.
LINK
Posted on 10/20/22 at 11:38 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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If someone were to post absolute proof beyond any question of a doubt that Ukraine had commited a war crime the majority of responses would be “What are you some kind of Putin balllicker?”. Not, “Holy shite that’s pretty fricked up.”. Or most would say, “Well Russia fricking invaded so those orcs deserved to be murdered in cold blood.”
War is war, and I don't think any rational person could expect no atrocities committed by Ukrainian soldiers. Shoot, US soldiers committed plenty in every war, including WWII. Just like no one should be surprised at graft and corruption. But to think that Russia is the good guy here, was provoked, or that we should just let Russia roll over Ukraine, requires the suspension of all rational thought.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 11:39 am to Palantir
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Well, at least we got 1 page of updates before the next 10 pages of bull shite arrive
I will stop antagonizing but it’s hard when someone spits out such bullshite and even harder when you can tell they believe the shite they just make up
Posted on 10/20/22 at 11:40 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Face it guys, most of you have picked a side and that’s fine and all well and good. Viva Ukraine or whatever. But most of yall need to stop pretending that you’re anymore invested in this war than you are on the game threads on the rant. And you homer for Ukraine the exact same way people do on the rant.
yawn.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 11:42 am to lsu777
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almost everyone in this thread has said russia invading ukraine doesnt make ukraine some beacon of truth or suddenly make them good people. ukraine is a fricked up country....so is russia. both societies are shitholes in general with shite tons of corruption as far as war crimes....certainly ukraine has committed plenty, same with russia. both countries suck dick.
If I were to post this exact same thing I’d be called a Putin dicksucker. And i bet the vast majority of the regular posters in this thread will agree with you. And if they do I challenge them to post that they do in regards to the above statement.
quote:Sure, they did that in 2014. Where was all the outcrying of support for Ukraine then?
1) russia invaded a sovereign country
quote:If this war has proven anything it’s that Russia is anything but a threat to world stage. Unless of course the Russian military and economy or some sort of giants not to be fricked which is at odds with about everyone’s assesment so far.
russia historically is our biggest geo-political foe and is a much bigger threat on the world stage than ukraine could ever be
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3) it sets a terrible example that a nuclear power can take whatever it wants from non nuclear powers
Meh, there’s actually zero evidence to support this. In fact, nuclear armed nations have been invading soveriegn nations for the past 70 years. What you mean to say is “It sets a terrible example that any nuclear power not named the United States, Great Britain or France can take whatever it wants from non nuclear powers”
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4) it makes china step back and do a double take on their goals
Most people overstate China’s give a frick about Russia or Ukraine. At best it’s an interesting sideshow for them where they get to gather all kinds of cool info on Western weaponry.
quote:Please find a post by me in this thread or any other that even hints at that.
you on the other hand seem to be only pulling for russia because you feel it makes biden look bad and becaues ukraine is the money laundering capital for the dems.
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 11:44 am
Posted on 10/20/22 at 11:53 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Sure, they did that in 2014. Where was all the outcrying of support for Ukraine then?
I was certainly calling for it back then. I was wanting us to designate them an MNNA and sending over weapons along with the training NATO has provided. We could have had an eight year lead in reequipping the Ukrainian military but we were too afraid to do it.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 11:55 am to Burhead
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@Apex_WW A senior Ukrainian military official says there is growing danger that Russia will open a new front in the war through its coordination with Belarus, using it to cut military supplies to Ukraine.
“The threat of the Russian armed forces resuming the offensive on the northern front is growing,” Oleksii Hromov, a senior official in the military’s General Staff, said Thursday.
“This time, the direction of the offensive may be changed to the (western part) of the Belarusian-Ukrainian border to cut the main logistics arteries of supplying weapons and military equipment to Ukraine from partner countries,” Hromov said.
Hromov said Ukraine’s defense forces were “taking measures to ensure reliable coverage of the state border of Ukraine and the city of Kyiv from the northern direction. In case the enemy decides to open the so-called second front, namely, to conduct offensive actions from —
the Republic of Belarus, we will be ready for an adequate response.”
CNN
I speculated earlier that they may try to invade from Belarus to cut off Western arms supplies but I didn't think they would be dumb enough to really try and do it.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 11:59 am to LSUPilot07
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Belarus really doesn’t want to piss Poland off.
No, they don't.
But we all know Poland would wipe the floor w/Belarus, and quickly at that. The Poles don't frick around.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:00 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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If this war has proven anything it’s that Russia is anything but a threat to world stage
But their aim is obvious. I think most people are surprised by their inept performance, but they are so direct when speaking about their aims that I suggest we start taking what the elites say at their word.
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In fact, nuclear armed nations have been invading soveriegn nations for the past 70 years. What you mean to say is “It sets a terrible example that any nuclear power not named the United States, Great Britain or France can take whatever it wants from non nuclear powers”
And they've had completely mixed results. The foreign adventures of the French and UK in the 50's and 60's showed they were no longer powers that could actually hold possessions abroad. With regard to this hemisphere, the US has acted the same more or less since the 1870's. Afghanistan should be regarded a bit differently while Iraq was ill-advised. Still, the difference is that the US hasn't tried to annex any portion of any nation. This is an 'old-school' war in that sense, as Russian War aims are just straight out of the 18th century. If the Russians were paying attention, they should have realized how limited the spoils of war actually are.
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Most people overstate China’s give a frick about Russia or Ukraine. At best it’s an interesting sideshow for them where they get to gather all kinds of cool info on Western weaponry.
I think it is very instructive to them how the West will unite very quickly under a common threat, and instructive to the neutral observer that authoritarian nations might struggle in extended wars against enemies who are similarly trained to Western forces. The Chinese won't be able to incorporate any real lesson about why you need certain amounts of creativity in the military, nor do they know how to cultivate that creativity without affecting their lack of free speech.
The fact that Western weaponry is superior is tied to the fact that Western societies have a great deal of individual freedom.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:01 pm to Burhead
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I speculated earlier that they may try to invade from Belarus to cut off Western arms supplies but I didn't think they would be dumb enough to really try and do it
You'd have to think this could provoke a Polish response. This would definitely be an escalation on the part of the Russians.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:02 pm to TacoNash
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I will stop antagonizing but it’s hard when someone spits out such bullshite and even harder when you can tell they believe the shite they just make up
Do you think you can convince him to change his mind? If not, then you're wasting your time. His job is to disrupt this thread. He can't do it without our help.
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:05 pm to crazy4lsu
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You'd have to think this could provoke a Polish response. This would definitely be an escalation on the part of the Russians.
I really haven't been worried about escalation but I would start worrying if this happened. You would have the joint Russian-Belarusian forces fighting right on the border of Poland, what happens when they screw up and shells start landing in Poland?
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:06 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Sure, they did that in 2014. Where was all the outcrying of support for Ukraine then?
Because no one did much in 2014 then it’s OK in 2022? And btw, the way Ukraine has fought has gained them respect and support.
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If this war has proven anything it’s that Russia is anything but a threat to world stage
On the contrary, Putin’s actions have brought back to life just how dangerous Russia is. Threatening nuclear war when you have 100s of warheads does that.
Russia is a dangerous country. The question is what can you do to mitigate the threat they present.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:09 pm to Burhead
The sheer fact of a war in a bordering nation was enough to send Turkey into Syria, who Russia supported. Poland will obviously have to be more careful, but they could very easily justify an operation in Ukraine to protect Polish interests.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:19 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Face it guys, most of you have picked a side and that’s fine and all well and good. Viva Ukraine or whatever. But most of yall need to stop pretending that you’re anymore invested in this war than you are on the game threads on the rant. And you homer for Ukraine the exact same way people do on the rant.
Actually, I have a close friend who is Ukranian, holds a PhD in a STEM field, and whose son left college to return to Ukraine and fight in this war. His brother has been fighting Russian corruption for decades as part of the Ukranian forces. All his family has ever wanted is the right to self-determination and the opportunity to live in a place where 20%-30% of the national GDP isn't siphoned off to Russian oligarchs.
So frick you for assuming you know what kind of investment some of us have in this war. I care deeply about my friend, his brother, and his son. Every day I wake up dreading the news that either of them might be dead. And I care far more about this war than some silly football game.
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:29 pm to crazy4lsu
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I think it is very instructive to them how the West will unite very quickly under a common threat, and instructive to the neutral observer that authoritarian nations might struggle in extended wars against enemies who are similarly trained to Western forces. The Chinese won't be able to incorporate any real lesson about why you need certain amounts of creativity in the military, nor do they know how to cultivate that creativity without affecting their lack of free speech.
The fact that Western weaponry is superior is tied to the fact that Western societies have a great deal of individual freedom.
Wonderfully stated. And why I worry deeply about the increased rhetoric in favor of infringements on free speech and academic freedom by both the left and the right in this country.
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