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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:35 am to
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:35 am to
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There could also be a peace deal


You mean the one that Russia wouldn't negotiate without the West at the same table and the West wouldn't negotiate directly with Russia? That was the only one that might have happened but too many big egos caused that to go nowhere fast and those same egos are probably the reason one won't happen.
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:35 am to
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Do you really believe Russia will deal while they are losing ground


He has no idea. He is here to take a jab or two and then run back to the poli board to report his eipc achievements from this thread.

Guarantee he has already reported back to the poli board this morning about this thread.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:37 am to
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I’d listen to propositions of having a formal and legitimate (under combined UN/Ukraine/Russian oversight) redo of the the independence referenda in the “annexed” regions with three options

1) status quo ante vellum
2) elevation to semi-sovereign federated states within Ukraine
3) independence

Plurality wins.


This might have worked pre February but too many displaced persons now to make that feasible in my honest opinion.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:39 am to
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Most of the energy infrastructure will be restored today, Prime Minister of Ukraine Denys Shmyhal reports.

The power supply is resumed in Sumy, the process is underway in Zhytomyr and Kharkiv. A schedule of emergency outages was introduced in Kyiv city; Kyiv, Chernihiv, Cherkasy and Zhytomyr regions," he says.

Also, according to him, there are problems with the water supply in eight regions.



LINK

If I understand the resident trolls correctly this means that the Russian strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure is a Ukrainian victory?
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 8:40 am
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:40 am to
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You ppl are lunatics There could also be a peace deal Like the one they already had


You’re an idiot if you don’t know that for Putin it’s, “No territory, no peace.”

He would happily stop the war if Ukraine would accept his conditions. I’m sure that’s what you want, too. frick that.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40857 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:40 am to
quote:

There could also be a peace deal
Like the one they already had


Didn't Putin break the deal they "already had?"
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97975 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:40 am to
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I’m all for a peace deal,


Yeah no one really believes that

quote:

Do you really believe Russia will deal while they are losing ground?


Who knows but regime change is a fast track towards armageddon and this thread is calling for it
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:41 am to
"All targets are hit": Russian Ministry of Defence content with outcomes of missile strikes on Ukraine
Monday, 10 October 2022, 14:04

The Russian Ministry of Defence said that "all targets" have been hit as a result of Russia’s mass missile strike on Ukraine on the morning of 10 October.

Source: Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation on Telegram

Quote: "The Russian Armed Forces have carried out a mass strike on Ukraine’s military command, communications, and energy targets using high-precision long-range missiles.

The goal of the strike has been achieved.

All of the targets have been hit."

Ukrainska Pravda
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:43 am to
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and this thread is calling for it


is that what we are doing?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476598 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:43 am to
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China did go full retard on COVID zero and the real estate industry crisis there is a big problem for them imo. But, China still controls a massive proportion of global manufacturing capacity including tech.

Yes but in a depression, imagine what an even 5% reduction in manufacturing would do. Now add that on top of the worldwide recession that is coming. China is authoritarian and promises to take care of its population. The government will be blamed if there are no jobs, no money, and no food.

quote:

. As long as it has that, it will remain an essential global power.

It has scale, but the world is fluid. The US is moving to manufacture more things like microchips. There are other options for lower-level manufacturing (Vietnam, Bangeldesh, Africa, and Central America).

Plus, China can't maintain a scale-based power projection for much longer. In a few decades their demographic crisis is going to remove the workers necessary for this maintenance.

China's over-reliance on lower-level manufacturing, IP theft, and real estate, gave it a quick boost in economic ascension, but it has no long-term plan for development. By relying on the most lower-level stuff, they (1) are always at threat of those factories being moved elsewhere b/c the workers are fungible worldwide and (2) their margins are extraordinarily low and require insane scale to keep the total GDP going.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38022 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:43 am to
quote:

You ppl are lunatics
There could also be a peace deal
Like the one they already had



ukraine is not going to agree to any terms that do not include going back to the pre-2014 borders, atleast not at this point and i cant say i blame them. the war is on the verge of being won.

if the US was invaded 6 years after giving russia alaska, would you want us to give in?

why should ukraine?

and before you call me some war hungry liberal...understnad i am anything but. I didnt agree with us spending the money in ukraine as I beleived Europe should have footed the bill, but they are pussies as always. But i also do not beleive putin would have stopped at ukraine as this is nothing more than him trying to put the russian empire back together. He has stated that i the past.

with that in mind, we can spend a little now and have zero american deaths or we can spend a lot more later and lose lots of americans. Better to take out our biggest historical geopolitical foe on the cheap and with zero american lives.

as far as china goes, we could break them quickly and easily with economic sanctions and as proven in this war, Russian weapons and doctrine are no match for America and its allies if we decide we want to win. Now the hard part with china is understanding, if we have to break china....we are also fricked economically due to decades of terrible policy.

hopefully we get trump or desantis in 24 with a major majority in congress and we start having policies towards china and encourage manufacturing to move from there and back home or to mexico/SA if its things that the US public cant stomach environmentally or through simple pricing.

it would be a multi decade process but it was a multi decade process to start relying on china. This would serve multiple purposes and would increase the economy of Mexico and SA in general which stems the tide of immigrants and empowers those countries to start rooting out corruption and the cartels.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:44 am to
Clearly the Poli Board Putinistas are riled up this morning. They have a thread over there celebrating the Russian missile attacks and hoping that Zelensky is dead. But no, they don't need moderation.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476598 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:44 am to
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. Its that bad and has potential global economic implications.

People keep trying to push for WW3 on here but the real threat is the Great Depression 2.0 across the world.

If that happens, all bets are off and all possibilities are on the table. Russia is a grain of sand in the sea of concern when the worldwide economy starts to slide. This is all because of debt but Covid really popped the bubble.

Ironic, considering China is going to feel it the most.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8165 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:45 am to
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Who knows but regime change is a fast track towards armageddon and this thread is calling for it


No more so than the Poli board thread on these attacks is calling for regime change in Ukraine. Don't be a hypocrite.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54853 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:45 am to
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regime change is a fast track towards armageddon
so the only way there is no Armageddon in your book is capitulation to an invading aggressor?

That doesn’t seem like an appropriate response.

Also, there are several ways regime change could occur without Armageddon.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476598 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:46 am to
quote:

China today has real engines of wealth creation in its massive manufacturing capacity

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476598 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:47 am to
quote:

so the only way there is no Armageddon in your book is capitulation to an invading aggressor?

That doesn’t seem like an appropriate response.

It raises a lot of questions they refuse to answer. Questions I've been asking for some time now.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42609 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:48 am to
quote:

quote:I’m all for a peace deal, Yeah no one really believes that
quote:Do you really believe Russia will deal while they are losing ground?

Who knows but regime change is a fast track towards armageddon and this thread is calling for it


I really don’t care what you believe. Your view of the world is rigid and simplistic anyway. You prove that every day.

Putin’s limited invasion was a grade A disaster. He has put himself at risk, and it’s his own doing. If getting rid of him stops the war and if the new regime there is less aggressive that would be great.
If the new regime is more aggressive and goes all in against Ukrsine that wouldn’t be good, but it’s out of our control.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38022 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:50 am to
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But no, they don't need moderation


i mean i dont agree with those in that thread but why the frick would they need moderation over wishing a foreign leader died?

would most in this thread be ecstatic if putin died?

i and many other conservatives in this thread may have agreed with you on certain positions when it comes to this war.....but dont get that shite twisted and think you are surrounded by a bunch of liberals who want to shut down free speach.

you can frick right the frick off with that shite. thats not the way to do things.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:51 am to
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Putin’s limited invasion was a grade A disaster. He has put himself at risk, and it’s his own doing. If getting rid of him stops the war and if the new regime there is less aggressive that would be great.
If the new regime is more aggressive and goes all in against Ukrsine that wouldn’t be good, but it’s out of our control.


In all honesty, a regime change in Russia has little chance of changing the war IMO namely due to Russia attempting to annex the territory. You'd have to not only have a regime change to one that wants to get out of Ukraine, but then get the population on board to cede back territory. I just don't see that happening shy of a civil war inside of Russia. I hope I'm wrong though.
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