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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/10/22 at 7:58 am to
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 7:58 am to
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China is backing itself into a corner while facing economic depression.


China did go full retard on COVID zero and the real estate industry crisis there is a big problem for them imo. But, China still controls a massive proportion of global manufacturing capacity including tech. As long as it has that, it will remain an essential global power.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 7:58 am to
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China is backing itself into a corner while facing economic depression. They are risking a serious devolution of their standing and power in the world if shite goes get bad there and they've pissed off everyone they need to maintain.



China won't be able to hold back the waves of their real estate failures for too much longer. That dam should have busted by now but too many firms that are heavily invested like Blackrock are helping them keep it at bay for now. Once that dam breaks China is fricked. Its that bad and has potential global economic implications.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 7:59 am to
China is selling them to Iran to get around the sanctions. I believe they found an American chip used in a shot down Iranian suicide drone in Ukraine.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:01 am to
They had V-1 and V-2's also.

eta: Sorry. Should have read your post closer. You are correct. Which actually caused Hitler to shift from military targets to population centers in Britain. Some historians believe that the switch came at a critical time. They believe that the RAF was on the verge of breaking and the switch actually helped save them from possible collapse/defeat.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 8:08 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:01 am to
Kyrgyzstan cancelled a military drill to be led by Russia on its soil with 6 CIS nations set to participate.

Putin is turning CIS against him.
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:05 am to
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China won't be able to hold back the waves of their real estate failures for too much longer. That dam should have busted by now but too many firms that are heavily invested like Blackrock are helping them keep it at bay for now. Once that dam breaks China is fricked. Its that bad and has potential global economic implications.


I don’t necessarily disagree with any of this but I think the key difference between China 2022 and USA 2007 re real estate industry crisis is that China today has real engines of wealth creation in its massive manufacturing capacity whereas the USA is largely a services/finance based economy so therefore the USA more exposed to a purely financial crisis than China. I’m obviously just speculating here I have no special knowledge other than what I’ve read in the media about this. But I think we have a tendency to discount the massive importance of china’s status as the workshop of the world.
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:06 am to
Seems like a really stupid move by Putin to bomb all those civilians. Will only increase Ukrainian resolve and the weapons flow from western countries to Ukraine. My main concern now though is how we get an offramp to this escalating feedback loop.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54853 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:12 am to
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My main concern now though is how we get an offramp to this escalating feedback loop.
Agreed.

I think Ukraine has to keep pushing for its land back and sovereignty, but Putin isn’t going to just walk away. At this point, it seems like regime change is going to have to happen for any de-escalation.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:14 am to
Unless I am mistaken, I don't believe that Putin has an offramp. I don't see one.right now. I don't believe that Ukraine will concede territory. He is playing two cards: 1. Nuclear threats 2. Hoping Europe will cave in support this winter. Putin has no other option: he has to win or he is finished. If Ukraine can't knock him out, they are going to be fighting this war for years.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:16 am to
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At this point, it seems like regime change is going to have to happen for any de-escalation.




Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:19 am to
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China today has real engines of wealth creation in its massive manufacturing capacity whereas the USA


Well, they aren't a truly capitalistic economy either.

The point you are also forgetting is that they built complete communities no one is living in. Whole buildings and districts that are empty.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:19 am to
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Putin has no other option: he has to win or he is finished.


I’m sure someone can arrange for him to go out peacefully. Won’t even feel a thing.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
108968 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:21 am to
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GOP_Tiger


You have to be one of the least informed dolts I have seen posting in a long time. Your grasp of the issues and what is really happening is on a level of ignorance you only see from Twitter warriors or kids that ride short yellow buses and lick windows.

Do yourself a favor and skip commenting, at least on world and political issues. Maybe you would fair better on the TD Help board. Good day poor soul.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:25 am to
Well, of course “there it is.” Putin must die for this to end.

Hitler had to die before the Nazis surrendered. Putin will not yield one centimeter.

He will fight to the last poor rural Russian young man.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:27 am to
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China and Taiwan are the only manufacturers of microchips, then the economic value of a takeover of Taiwan goes way up. However, if the US develops that infrastructure here, then China doesn’t take over the technology world by invading Taiwan.

Sounds like a good long term strategy that will reduce tensions as a balanced supply chain is developed.


I wonder if OML would still be willing to write a blank check to Taiwan if that happened?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97974 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:28 am to
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Well, of course “there it is.” Putin must die for this to end.



You ppl are lunatics
There could also be a peace deal
Like the one they already had
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:28 am to
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Hitler had to die before the Nazis surrendered. Putin will not yield one centimeter.


To be fair, before Hitler died, there was already talks of a post-war war crimes tribunal. He knew he faced the death penalty at Nuremberg.

In Putin’s case, is Russia under any obligation to extradite him and, even if he were, does The Hague even have the death penalty?
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:30 am to
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The point you are also forgetting is that they built complete communities no one is living in. Whole buildings and districts that are empty.


There is an astounding 64 million residential apartments sitting empty and unusable. That’s enough for almost 200 million people.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42608 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:33 am to
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You ppl are lunatics There could also be a peace deal Like the one they already had


I’m all for a peace deal, but honestly Russia has broken them before starting with the Budapest deal. Do you really believe Russia will deal while they are losing ground?
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:34 am to
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There could also be a peace deal


Any peace deal that forces mandatory land cessions from Ukraine or forces them not to be able to join NATO is just legitimizing and appeasing Putin’s land grab through nuclear blackmail tactic. It won’t stop at Ukraine.

I’d listen to propositions of having a formal and legitimate (under combined UN/Ukraine/Russian oversight) redo of the the independence referenda in the “annexed” regions with three options

1) status quo ante bellum
2) elevation to semi-sovereign federated states within Ukraine
3) independence

Plurality wins.

That’s about as fair of a concession that Ukraine should be held under being that they are the victims of a war of aggression.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 9:53 am
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