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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/1/22 at 5:57 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Posted on 10/1/22 at 5:57 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Whatever it takes to cope. My grandfather fought in the Philippines, and I don’t think he coped well with the death he saw…including seeing the Japanese bodies. I think he did a lot of drinking in later life to calm his nerves and forget some of that.
Dad was in the Navy in the Atlantic before we got in but were still sinking German subs and even captured a German raider. merchant ship but well armed to interdict shipping lanes. After they sailed to the Pacific, he wondered why all the seamen were drinking so heavily in SF, then he went where his ship was being shot at and found out why.
He visited the "shell shock" ward at the VA hospital in Alexandria, LA monthly. He always said that you never know how you will react until being shelled. Patients were from as far back as WWI in the 60's and 70's
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:03 pm to CitizenK
Well, unlike Russia's military, Bama rediscovered fire and movement for long advances and 3 TD's
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:05 pm to Jim Rockford
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Tom Zimbardo
@TomMostlyZen
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“its a slaughter” – Ukraine Volunteer Transcripts
Some Ukrainian soldiers are reporting that they’re actually feeling traumatised by how many dead Russian soldiers they have seen. The Russians may have been ordered not to surrender & are fleeing instead
From the article. Sheesh. War sucks.
"One guy had obviously stepped on a mine by the side of the road. One leg was gone at mid-thigh, the other one was broken lower down and his foot was backward. He was trying to crawl somewhere on one good knee, trailing flowing blood out of a busted artery. Unless he got help quick, he was gone. He was talking calmly in Russian, saying over-and-over, “I will be home soon mother.”
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:13 pm to SlimTigerSlap
Russian reporter Kotenok Z brings unfoconfirmed early intel that clashes are taking place near Kreminna. This poses a further danger as the frontline has not been established.
The annexation euphoria did not last long.
Twitter @wartranslated
twitter thread on how HIMAR strikes over the past week shaped the current operation...
NLWarTracker
The annexation euphoria did not last long.
Twitter @wartranslated
twitter thread on how HIMAR strikes over the past week shaped the current operation...
NLWarTracker
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:16 pm to CitizenK
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Ours are rolling back to the Kremennaya-Svatovo line."
If true that is the first smart thing the Russians have done in a while. The Krasna River runs through Kremmina (which is Ukrainian for Kremmennaya) and the hilly area east of Kremmina looks like a strong defensive position. Svatove (which is Ukrainina for Svatovo) is not as strong as Kreminna but it is still on the east side of the Krasna River. It's been raining for most of the past 2 weeks in the area so the Krasna River is probably rising. However, after Monday the Ukrainians are going to get 10 days of mostly dry weather to operate. The Russians will get dry weather too but if they are defending and the opponent has to attempt a river crossing then they probably want it to keep raining.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:18 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
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Must have missed it. what was the question?
Do you believe that the USA should honor the treaties that it signs and the Senate ratifies, Yes or No? It is a real simple question.
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:50 pm to WeeWee
My answer is, it depends on the treaty and the factual circumstances. Can’t answer that question in absolutes. In this particular case, I think it’s irrelevant because there’s no applicable treaty or agreement as far as I know.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:54 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
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I don’t know enough about how any of those are supposed to work to really have an opinion. I kind of doubt any of them say what you think they say but I really don’t know and could be wrong.
The USA signed and ratified the UN Charter. The UN Charter forbids the use of force with another member state unless it is in self-defense. In the case of war conflict between member states, then other member states are suppose to support the non-aggressor nation. Russia is clearly the aggressor nation here so the USA is fulfilling it's obligations to support the non-agressor nation (Ukraine).
The Hellsinki Accords established the internationally recognized and official national boundaries of the various european nations and created the Organization for the Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) Ukraine and Russia were both part of the USSR at the time but it was a signor of the treaty and a member of the OSCE. However upon the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine and Russia signed several treaties with each other. Part of the Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation established the international borders of Ukraine and Russia with Crimea as well as the Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaprizhzhia oblasts being part of Ukraine. Afterwards the Hellsinki Accords were amended to reflect this change and so legally Crimea, the Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaprizhzhia oblasts are part of Ukraine until a consitutional amendment is passed in Ukrainian Rada giving up claim to them. The USA also signed and ratified the Hellsinki Accords and the amendmended version after the breakup of the USSR and therefore we do not consider Russian annexations to be legal.
The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NNPT) calls for the other recognized nuclear weapons states to support
the nonnuclear weapons state in the event of conflict between a recognized nuclear weapons state and a nonnucler weapons state. That is another treaty that we have signed and ratified that gives the USA a legitimate basis to be involved in the conflict on the side of Ukraine.
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I also disagree with your interpretation of Budapest but I am also not a legal scholar so I could be wrong.
Your interpretation is wrong.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:57 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
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as far as I know.
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I kind of doubt any of them say what you think they say but I really don’t know and could be wrong.
I don't think you know very far.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:03 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
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My answer is, it depends on the treaty and the factual circumstances.
The USA is bound by treaty to aid Ukraine if Ukraine's territorial integrity is threatened. Ukraine's territorial integrity is clearly threatened since Russia has invaded Ukraine and is trying to claim part of Ukraine's territory. So there are no factual circumstances to dispute here.
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Can’t answer that question in absolutes. In this particular case, I think it’s irrelevant because there’s no applicable treaty or agreement as far as I know.
The USA signed one treaty stating it would specifically aid Ukraine if Ukraine was threatend and at least 3 treaties stating it would aid the nonaggressor nation in the event of armed conflict. Ukraine is clearly the threatened and it is clearly the nonaggressor nation. So the question absolutely applies to this case, and you are 100% wrong as I have demonstrated.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:11 pm to MountainTiger
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:28 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
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BrianKellyRespecter
No response to your commie friends wake up call? Poor guy woke up with no hand
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:28 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
Iraq had tried to assassinate a former US President, father of a sitting President. They deserved the war they received.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:37 pm to LSU7096
Russian telegram is interesting tonight
On comments by Kadyrov...calling for low yield nukes
Response from the head of the Wagner Group
On comments by Kadyrov...calling for low yield nukes
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??Kadyrov blamed Colonel-General Alexander Lapin for the loss of Liman.
Ramzan Akhmatovich called him mediocrity and said that Lapin was being covered from above by the leaders in the General Staff.
"If it were my will, I would have demoted Lapin to the rank of private, would have deprived him of his awards and, with a machine gun in his hands, would have sent him to the front line to wash away my shame with blood."
The leader of Chechnya also calls for more drastic measures, up to the declaration of martial law in the border areas and the use of low-yield nuclear weapons.
At least someone had the courage to admit that the history of the Kharkov defeat is repeating itself!
Only there we retreated and saved the lives of soldiers, and here we doomed thousands of Russians to certain death. ??
For what the frick?!
Response from the head of the Wagner Group
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The head of the Wagner Group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, by the way, also spoke about Kadyrov's statement regarding criticism of some persons from among the leading positions of the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry:
“Kadyrov's expressive statement, of course, is not entirely in my style. But I think that we need all these thugs - with machine guns barefoot to the front.
In turn, I do not consider it impudent to partly disagree with Evgeny Viktorovich. I think that getting to the front should not be a punishment, but should be an honor. Fools are not needed there, there are enough of their own, as you can see. But to betray them to a well-deserved legal punishment, and only then, at your discretion, to offer them to go as a volunteer to the front to pay off the punishment - it would be more fruitful and quite fair.
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:38 pm to Bronc
Too many liberal cucks who accept riots and murders in 2020 in the name of violent felon who died doing thug shite. Yet they cry about peaceful protest where 2 protestors were killed by LEO
Get a life Bronc
Get a life Bronc
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:47 pm to LSU7096
I was texted 2800/900 tonight by somebody that would know. Russians were shooting Russians that were even talking about surrender. This was a horror show, complete humiliation of the Russian military and the GRU. The fact that UA accepted 900 surrendered is amazing to me. Gruesome day for Russia.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:48 pm to LSUCanFAN
Lyman is the large blue circle at the bottom.
https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1576348823265300481
https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1576348823265300481
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:53 pm to Chromdome35
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:54 pm to WeeWee
quote:What treaty did the senate confirm?
The USA is bound by treaty to aid Ukraine if Ukraine's territorial integrity is threatened.
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:55 pm to Chromdome35
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