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Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:16 pm to
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:16 pm to
The SU-25 has performed well.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:22 pm to
Have they been fielding the SU34 or any of their other new stuff? 30's/35's etc?

I've always assumed they didn't actually have the logistical backing to field any of their post-soviet Era stuff
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 10:15 pm to
Those have been shotdown, maybe a dozen or slightly less ain't dere no mo
Posted by RummelTiger
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 10:16 pm to
Soooooo…

When’s this gonna end?
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 10:19 pm to
When Putin's forces are exhausted
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 11:45 pm to
The Turks already are on board as it means billions to them bro. Already on board. Money talks bullshite walks. The do hate the Kurds but they like money more. The lack of oil sharing agreement in Iraqi is the only obstacle. Trucks have been moving this oil through Turkey for over 5 years
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 1:11 am to
Seems like the A-10 with a couple of crazy pilots and those crazy bullets could take down the Crimea bridge. They could come in flying super low like crop dusters. Not sure if any of you folk been around some crazy crop dusters but those dudes will do touch and gos on the highways sometimes flying under power lines.
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 3:31 am to
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A volunteer tank battalion is being raised in Nizhny Novgorod Oblast. They're offering a 200,000 ruble one-time payment, 250,000 rubles a month, and 6 month contracts. Volunteers will also receive the combat veteran status and other benefits.




I called the number on the poster. On the other hand, they didn’t even listen, they say “yes, you already fricked up” and stopped the conversation
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 6:35 am
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:46 am to
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Seems like the A-10 with a couple of crazy pilots and those crazy bullets could take down the Crimea bridge.


Just like the HIMARS rockets, the 30mm rounds are incorrect munitions for the mission. If there was a reason to use the A-10s to take out a bridge such as exploring a low and slow exploit of the air defense system in an AO then they have perfectly acceptable munitions for bridge demo. I don't know the A-10 loadout capabilities but a couple of Warthogs with just a couple of trusty old Mk84s each would make short work of the Crimean Bridge. The Crimean bridge is the same but also different from the bridge they hit in the Kherson region. The majority of the Crimean bridge looks to be of similar concrete span construction but with truss arch spans to allow for ship travel, it is also a twin span so requires you to destroy both spans if you want to stop rail and vehicle traffic. If you were concerned about being able to restore traffic quickly hitting each of the Crimean bridge spans over land would be the smartest. If you don't care how long it takes to reestablish service then you would target the truss arch spans which would take much more time and effort to rebuild and not be any harder to destroy, at least from the air.

I will say the HIMARS attacks will work on either bridge it will just take a larger salvo than the 12 they supposedly fired at the one over the Dnieper.

One other interesting note the two arch spans on the Crimean bridge have a different construction. One looks like a Nielsen arch and the other looks like either a Langer or Lhose arch. The heavier Neisen arch is used for rail and the lighter stayed arch is used for vehicular traffic. I can't help but think it had to irritate someones OCD in the design process.




I will note this bridge has likely significant air defense systems guarding it. The US could make quick work of it, the Ukranian's don't have near the capabilities and if the Uke's get A-10s they would be stupid to risk them trying to take it down.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 6:13 am to
Yeah, we need to give the Ukrainians ATACMS to take out the Kerch Bridge.

But I've seen some speculation that the bridge might be off-limits with our weapons since it's directly attached to Russia. That's still not an issue, as the railway immediately goes into a big tunnel, so the Ukrainians could just hit the tunnel to completely foul Russian logistics.

In fact, the tunnel might be an easier target than the bridge, anyway.

But the Biden administration continues to worry too much about "provoking" Russia, as if Russia could actually do anything to us without absolutely destroying their country in the process.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:03 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 22 July 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

In the Donbas, Ukrainian forces continue to repel Russian attempts to assault the Vuhlehirsk power plant. Russian artillery remains focused on areas around the cities of Kramatorsk and Siversk.

On 21 July 2022, Vitaly Kim, governor of Ukraine's Mykolaiv region, said that Russian forces had used seven air defence missiles to strike infrastructure, energy facilities and storage areas.

Russia has increased its use of air defence missiles in a secondary ground attack mode because of critical shortages of dedicated ground-attack missiles. Russian has almost certainly deployed S-300 and S-400 strategic air defence systems, designed to shoot down aircraft and missiles at long ranges, near Ukraine from the start of invasion.

These weapons have relatively small warheads, designed to destroy aircraft. They could pose a significant threat against troops in the open and light buildings but are unlikely to penetrate hardened structures. There is a high chance of these weapons missing their intended targets and causing civilian casualties because the missiles they are not optimised for this role, and their crews will have little training for such missions.

Posted by cypher
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:18 am to
Ukraine Army destroys Russia’s howitzer artillery battalion together with personnel
22.07.2022 12:49

The artillery units of the Ukrainian Air Assault and Ground Forces have destroyed a Russian howitzer artillery battalion together with personnel, as well as enemy motor vehicles and ammunition load.

The relevant statement was made by the Ukrainian Air Assault Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Telegram, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.

“Thanks to the accurate and coordinated interaction, a howitzer artillery battalion (excluding one howitzer battery) was destroyed: eight 152-mm 2A65 Msta-B howitzers, battalion personnel, motor vehicles, ammunition load and fortification structures of Russian occupiers,” the report states.

UKRINFORM
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:22 am to
Ukrainian Armed Forces suppress attempted Russian assaults in southern Ukraine – General Staff summary
— Friday, 22 July 2022, 07:18

Ukrainian defenders have suppressed attempts by the Russians to assault the Pivdennyi Buh front, the Russian forces have retreated and are focusing on preventing an offensive by Ukrainian Defence Forces.

Source: General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces - situation as of 06:00 on Friday, 22 July

Details: Ukrainska Pravda
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:40 am to
I love Russian phone manners. They pick up a ringing phone and it’s not “good morning” or “hello,” or “how can I help you.” Rather, like some secret society it’s “ya slushio” (literally, “I’m listening”) Maybe it’s just a cultural thing but to me that always said a lot about how defensive Russians have always had to be. I guess now they also have to ensure they don’t do anything that would put them in a surprise tank battalion.

Edited to add close phonetic because TD apparently doesn’t display cryllic.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 7:47 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:44 am to
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But I've seen some speculation that the bridge might be off-limits with our weapons since it's directly attached to Russia.


The bridge is not connected to Russia. it connects Crimea to Tuzla island which was Ukrainian until 2014. The island has been occupied by Russia since that time just like the rest of Crimea.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 7:50 am
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:56 am to
You need a ton of trucks to haul much oil. Before the Keystone XL southern portion from Cushing to Nederland was completed, there was about a year when a lot of trucks were hauling much, but nowhere near what Kurds produce, due price delta at Cushing and Houston/Port Arthur.

Kurdistan produces more than truckable.

There are two pipelines from Kurdistan to the gulf in Iraq with a large one connected to Hadhitha then to Basra, 800,000 BPD and a smaller one on the other side of the Euphrates. Kurds export almost 600,000 BPD via this.

EDIT, Kurdistan is exporting through a pipeline via Turkey already, no longer through Iraq. Almost 600,000 BPD. This had been the case for a decade.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 8:09 am
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 8:12 am to
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I guess now they also have to ensure they don’t do anything that would put them in a surprise tank battalion.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8685 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 9:23 am to
What’s wrong Ivan? Your own people didn’t even want you in their “volunteer” tank battalion? And they are offering the equivalent of about $4900 dollars to go get an anti tank round dropped on your head. That’s pathetic in so many ways it’s almost sad. Almost. Please do us a favor and figure out a way to sign up so we can see you shake hands with a Javelin. It’s shameful that whoever admins this board even allows a Russian to post a recruitment poster on an American board yet you will get banned for a number of any other petty shite around here.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 9:31 am
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 9:53 am to
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Not sure if any of you folk been around some crazy crop dusters but those dudes will do touch and gos on the highways sometimes flying under power lines.

You ever seen the movie Independence Day?
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:06 am to
In his defense, I posted that first, and he was responding to me.
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