re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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I don’t know if they fell for it, you would know better than me though. I assume special interest saw an opportunity to make a lot of money, and exploited the political process.

Germany is screwed though because cheap Russian gas makes their exports affordable.

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Russia as a malign actor was going to use energy blackmail sooner or later. You get our energy, you have to give concessions or we'll cut it off.

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I don’t understand how they thought they could have it both ways.

This was predictable, as Trump pointed out.

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Per my sauce(s) in Ukraine, they were ready a month ago but decided to wait build up their supplies artillery shells.

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The president has given the order to the supreme military chief to draw up plans. After that the general staff are doing their homework and say to achieve this goal we need XYZ […] This is my job. I’m writing letters to counterparts in partner countries […]"

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He says they’re figuring out what hardware they would need from NATO, to accomplish that mission.

Ie

If you want us to retake the south, we need this from you.

You know that scene was not written in the script and the two guys were not actors or stand ins?

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You’re for peace talks so long as Russia agrees to completely withdraw from Ukraine and pay the damage they caused.

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Yeah that sounds good.

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Other than that, I think the thread is almost completely opposed to them and would prefer more war over Ukraine conceding territory.

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Ukraine settling for anything less than that would be bending the knee to Putin like a coward. frick that, frick him, and frick you for expecting other people to be pussies so you don't have a nervous breakdown about WW3.

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Yeah, but Ukraine is my neighbor. How much of my neighbor’s property should I personally put up with another neighbor taking from him when that psychopath has got a bunch of kids that are known to be potential mass shooters and have biological weapons if we intervene and the cops are willing to do nothing about it? That’s the equivalence I’m seeing here. There’s lots of downsides to us directly intervening.

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JFC man, stop being a bitch. All I'm hearing from you is a million ways to justify letting psychos rule the world because you're too scared to do the right thing when the time comes.

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Oh please. A) Only you are calling me a coward, and B) This is the exact same shite people were told at the end of the First World War when people like (and I hate giving this mother fricker any credit) Woodrow Wilson warned Britain and France that too cruel of measures against Germany would make a Second Great War inevitable, but they said frick it, you’re a pussy, and we’re going to bleed them dry and humiliate them as fully as possible for this. For the first and only time in his life, Wilson was right.

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So Wilson was a bitch too, so what? How do you know Nazis/Hitler weren't inevitable regardless? You don't. How do you know they didn't bleed them dry and humiliate them enough the first go round? You don't.

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Yes, Putin is the main warmonger here, but here’s also another fact: Putin in all likelihood will be dead within ten years. Russia will live on though. And you demanding the harshest penalties may not backfire in the immediate, but they likely will in the long term.

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I'm not demanding the harshest penalties. I only demand what's right in this case. And that is full Russian military withdrawal and a legit effort to rebuild. If that's "harsh" to you or the Russians, frick you and them.

Don't be a dick and don't be a pussy. How hard is that?

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Jordan Peterson speaks for me here.

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I really don't give two shits what Jordan Peterson has to say, and you allowing him to speak for you tells me just how much of a bitch you are. Don't let other people lead you around. Man up.

Please find where I said I advocate we bomb Moscow. I said please let Putin be dumb enough to attack Lithuania, a NATO member, because that means we all come to their defense and that would be the end of Putin and any semblance of power that Russia thinks it has. Being a warmonger and speaking cold facts are two different things. I spoke facts when I said we would roll to Putin’s doorstep and there wouldn’t be a damn thing his military could do about it and that is absolute fact. Maybe check your facts before you try to put words in other people’s mouths. Nobody wants outright war but if he is unhinged enough to attack a NATO country then he would get what he deserves for his idiocy. Hopefully the Russian people would do the job for us before we had to ever kill Russians inside Russia by giving Vlad the Mussolini treatment. You’re the type that would let him run through country after country killing civilians and blowing cities to the ground and still advocate that we not intervene. You’re a pussy plain and simple. Go back and hide under your mommy’s dress.