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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/9/22 at 8:13 am to
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 8:13 am to
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Ukraine is training and equipping 100,000 men every 45 days.


They’re sending territorial defense forces to the front with less than five days training.

Some don’t even get to fire a weapon in training.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 8:34 am to
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The factories also don't have critical parts manufacturing capability without the West


This reminded me of this story from middle of June

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Avtovaz halted the production of its Lada brand in March and furloughed many of its workers because it was not able to acquire certain parts due to the sanctions. But, after the Russian government's decision to slash safety regulations, assembly lines roared back to life.

As a result, the company’s affordable four-door passenger car Lada Granta, will no longer feature air bags, anti-lock braking systems, electronic stability control or emergency retraction locks on seat belts. It also fails to fulfill the 21st century emission standards adopted by many of Russia’s neighbors.


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Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38252 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 9:27 am to
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Avtovaz halted the production of its Lada brand in March and furloughed many of its workers because it was not able to acquire certain parts due to the sanctions. But, after the Russian government's decision to slash safety regulations, assembly lines roared back to life.

As a result, the company’s affordable four-door passenger car Lada Granta, will no longer feature air bags, anti-lock braking systems, electronic stability control or emergency retraction locks on seat belts. It also fails to fulfill the 21st century emission standards adopted by many of Russia’s neighbors.



LMAO. THis is the most Russian thing ever. Well, except for that BTG getting wiped out during repeated attempts to cross the pontoon bridge.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 9:29 am
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8686 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:44 am to
Slovakia sending Ukraine their entire fighter fleet plus parts to keep their own SU-25 ground attack planes in the air. Slovakia only had a fleet of 12 MIG-29 Fulcrums but they have given them every single one. Might not be much but it helps and shows Slovakia is behind Ukraine. I’m sure somewhere down the line they will get some of our older f-16 fighters to replace what they gave Ukraine but it won’t hurt our Air Force as they will be planes due for the boneyard for storage. We have a lot of f-16’s so I’m good with it. I’d rather keep our F-15 and f-18 aircraft over the f-16.

****Slovakia will not be receiving older f-16 aircraft but rather the brand new f-16 block 70 type that they have already purchased from the U.S. until delivery of those aircraft the Czech Air Force will defend Slovakia’s airspace. Bulgaria also sent 14 SU-25 ground attack planes in late April disassembled but are now put back together and are in the air. The SU-25 parts from Slovakia must be to help for repairs on the planes Bulgaria sent along with the 15 or so Ukraine already had. Bulgaria is next in line behind Slovakia to receive the new f-16 block 70 type also. All the old Soviet block countries are switching to western weapons.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 11:01 am
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8686 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:48 am to
And what about the Ukrainians that are in the UK being trained or Germany being trained by US soldiers? Let me guess, they are poorly trained too. They are sending their best and brightest to be trained by western soldiers so when they go back to Ukraine they can in turn train more troops. Russian training is just advance it doesn’t matter if you get killed because if you retreat you’ll get shot by your own officers.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11918 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:57 am to
If this is true, the Russians are really sucking wind to keep this going without full mobilization:

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Russian prisoners in St. Petersburg are being offered freedom and money if they join Vladimir Putin's war against Ukraine, according to a local independent news outlet.

Relatives of prisoners serving sentences in the city told investigative media outlet Important Stories that the notorious Russian mercenary Wagner Group is offering to pay 200 thousand rubles ($3,446), and an amnesty, for six months of "voluntary" service in the Donbas region—if the prisoners return alive.

Convicts serving sentences in IK-7 "Yablonevka" and IK-6 "Obukhovo" in St. Petersburg were also reportedly offered a five million rubles ($85,873) compensation for their families in the event of death.


Russian Prisoners Offered Freedom If They Join Fight Against Ukraine: Report
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8686 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 11:05 am to
Lol that’s hilarious. I would say I’m fine in my cell because you’d be signing up for a death sentence for just 3 grand! They don’t even get it unless they come back alive too which is hilarious because they will be the cannon fodder troops sent into the worst areas of fighting as the vanguard so they will be the first to die. Hitler did this too when he formed the Dirlewanger Brigade made up of prisoners and look how it turned out for them. Russian people are such sheep just being led to slaughter.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 11:12 am to
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If this is true, the Russians are really sucking wind to keep this going without full mobilization:


Russia really does need to mobilize to deal a decisive blow IMO as an armchair non military general. They are doing everything they can to avoid it, but passing that law stating companies had to repair military equipment regardless shows that the struggle to keep this as a quick and easy military offensive has failed tremendously and they need more "cannon fodder" so to speak. Otherwise, assuming Ukraine cannot launch a major counteroffensive, Russia can just let this go on for years gaining 10s of km every month and be satisfied.

No one here doubts that Russia has many more bodies to throw at the fight than Ukraine does, but Russia doesn't want to resort to it for good reasons (not sarcastic). The Russians I know that are my age (more cosmopolitan) are very against this conflict so I imagine the younger generation would lose their cool if an actual call to arms went out.

Now if none of what I said comes to fruition I wouldn't be shocked, but just from my interactions and following of the war I really think that's the case.

Weewee, what are your sauce(s) saying since the pause?
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 11:12 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 11:13 am to
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. The West can feed material into this furnace basically forever.


Hardware isn't going to be the problem. Attrition will be.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11918 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 11:21 am to
It would clearly be militarily easier to win the war with a mobilization, but I don't think Putin is confident he'd win even then. Russian leaders who put rifles in the hands of millions who win consolidate power like Stalin, but if they lose they can end up like Nicolas II.

I think he's counting on his level of media control and use of ethnic minorities and from the hinterlands to move the goalposts of victory and make do with a move back to a planned economy.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 12:08 pm to
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Slovakia sending Ukraine their entire fighter fleet plus parts to keep their own SU-25 ground attack planes in the air. Slovakia only had a fleet of 12 MIG-29 Fulcrums but they have given them every single one. Might not be much but it helps and shows Slovakia is behind Ukraine. I’m sure somewhere down the line they will get some of our older f-16 fighters to replace what they gave Ukraine but it won’t hurt our Air Force as they will be planes due for the boneyard for storage. We have a lot of f-16’s so I’m good with it. I’d rather keep our F-15 and f-18 aircraft over the f-16.

****Slovakia will not be receiving older f-16 aircraft but rather the brand new f-16 block 70 type that they have already purchased from the U.S. until delivery of those aircraft the Czech Air Force will defend Slovakia’s airspace. Bulgaria also sent 14 SU-25 ground attack planes in late April disassembled but are now put back together and are in the air. The SU-25 parts from Slovakia must be to help for repairs on the planes Bulgaria sent along with the 15 or so Ukraine already had. Bulgaria is next in line behind Slovakia to receive the new f-16 block 70 type also. All the old Soviet block countries are switching to western weapons.


Seems risky for Slovakia, but certainly helps the Czechs will secure their airspace. Next level cooperation imo.

Meanwhile Germany, France, and Italy can’t do much more than send some helmets
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
18452 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 12:25 pm to
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No one here doubts that Russia has many more bodies to throw at the fight than Ukraine does, but Russia doesn't want to resort to it for good reasons (not sarcastic). The Russians I know that are my age (more cosmopolitan) are very against this conflict so I imagine the younger generation would lose their cool if an actual call to arms went out.



There are a lot of poor Russians in Russia and being poor is all they have ever known. But the Russians who have made it to America or otherwise escaped poverty want no part of this war.

But Russia has always had a lot of poor and stupid people they can put in the army.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13535 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 12:28 pm to
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Hardware isn't going to be the problem. Attrition will be.


The CIA has Ukraine with 7 million males fit for military service. How many of those are willing to fight and die to defend their homes and families? 800 men turn 18 years old every day in Ukraine. That's a fresh BTG every single day. Can Russia kill them all?

Ukraine is fully mobilized. Russia is not. Ukraine is defending. Russia is attacking. Ukraine is beign supplied by the West. Russia is isolated. Ukraine is getting stronger, while Russia is getting weaker. Ukraine is getting more material than they are losing. Russia is losing more than they are building.

If Russia doesn't win soon, they'll never win. And my guess is that it's already too late. They lost their chance to take Kiev and overthrow the government. Now that Ukraine is on a stable war footing, I see no way Russia wins this thing.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:06 pm to


I don’t understand Czech Republic, Norway, and Hungary.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:25 pm to
There will be four Ukranian men left in the entire country and this post will continue.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61752 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:33 pm to
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There will be four Ukranian men left in the entire country and this post will continue.


Deep thoughts here
Posted by MNCTigah
Member since Oct 2011
192 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:39 pm to
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There are a lot of poor Russians in Russia and being poor is all they have ever known. But the Russians who have made it to America or otherwise escaped poverty want no part of this war.


Putin's only offer to a Western-leaning Ukraine is to make them as miserable as are the Russians he rules, hence the viciousness of the war.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 1:44 pm
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:43 pm to
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Deep thoughts here
Does any of this take any deep thoughts? Its not our country, but oh yeah we've got all the corrupt US politicians and their NGO's. But democracy!

Let me be clear - to use political language - I do not care. Let those men in their country figure it out. I'm pissed that my federal taxes are a part of this.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 2:07 pm to
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I'm pissed that my federal taxes are a part of this.


Well assuming everyone paid equal you will only pay like $120. Chump change to any OT baller
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 2:08 pm
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61752 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 2:09 pm to
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Let me be clear - to use political language - I do not care


That’s cool. As long as there is a war going on there we are going keep this thread going. Maybe don’t click on it if it bothers you.
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