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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/8/22 at 8:09 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 7/8/22 at 8:09 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Each one expands the federal state in a new and fundamental way.
I think single criteria lists are rather simplistic but if you must the fact you didn't include Thomas Jefferson means you really haven't thought about it much or are giving cover to a founder. His expansion of the Fed's power when he knew full well it was unconstitutional, though extremely pragmatic, is what in major part allowed later expansions.
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Posted on 7/8/22 at 8:13 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I would pick, Lincoln, Wilson and FDR before I even thought about Bush.
Jesus Christ.
Even your historical takes are arse.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 9:09 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Lincoln, LBJ, George Bush,Obama and Biden all suck.
To hell with them all.
To hell with them all.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 9:26 pm to Obtuse1
Which specific act are you thinking of? The Louisiana purchase?
Posted on 7/8/22 at 10:16 pm to Obtuse1
He also stopped paying tribute to the Bey of Tripoli
Posted on 7/9/22 at 12:55 am to Lima Whiskey
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Each one expands the federal state in a new and fundamental way.
Lincoln at least actually used the constitution to explain his thinking, the only way he “expanded” the Fed was considering the “A Perpetual Union” phrase in the Articles of Confederation to be canon to the US constitution (Later precedent set by Texas v. Brown in 1869).
The slavery stuff he quite specifically sought out a constitutionally valid solution, hence the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendment to the constitution, and waiting for the Southern states to come back into the fold before pushing those.
LBJ pushed Civil Rights legislation through using the Commerce Clause for the purpose of pushing Vietnam under the rug, and by doing so created the greatest Fed expansion loophole the USA has ever seen….and he’s not on your list.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:22 am to LSUPilot07
One thing that has been missing from this thread have been the amazing battles fought in Ukraine between Wehrmact and soviet armies. Izium was was the site of one great cauldron battle in 42. Kiev in 41. Kharkov 4 times!
As an armchair military history buff, Ukraine has one big chance to remove itself from an attrition war it cannot win. While during this "pause" they should build defensive structures, they must also consider a bolder tactic.
Does Ukraine retain enough to pull what FM Manstein did in 1943? Post Stalingrad the Russians kept moving west. To put it simply, Manstein allowed the Russians to push far past their supply points and then he struck with every man left in the southern German zone. It was one of the greatest military victories of all time.
Can Ukraine pull off such a miracle. Fighting wwi type attrition battles won't cut it. They need to force the Russians to overextend as they did early in this war..... and hit them hard on their flank
Lure them into a trap. But does Ukraine have the forces to strike a decisive blow?
If not then this is an attrition battle they cannot win. And we'd better be ready to force negotiations.
As an armchair military history buff, Ukraine has one big chance to remove itself from an attrition war it cannot win. While during this "pause" they should build defensive structures, they must also consider a bolder tactic.
Does Ukraine retain enough to pull what FM Manstein did in 1943? Post Stalingrad the Russians kept moving west. To put it simply, Manstein allowed the Russians to push far past their supply points and then he struck with every man left in the southern German zone. It was one of the greatest military victories of all time.
Can Ukraine pull off such a miracle. Fighting wwi type attrition battles won't cut it. They need to force the Russians to overextend as they did early in this war..... and hit them hard on their flank
Lure them into a trap. But does Ukraine have the forces to strike a decisive blow?
If not then this is an attrition battle they cannot win. And we'd better be ready to force negotiations.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:34 am to Shreveportolewarskul
In a major sense we cannot look to the great wwii battles to color our view today. There will never be a point where von Bock saw for himself through his field glasses several entire soviet armies condensed into a 2 by 10 mile field.
Neither side can conduct such operations, and what I'm describing is 8 months later in 42 after barborassa failed.
But even in defeat post stalingrad germans in 43 lured the Russians into a trap which may have cost another year of hell.
Can Urkraine give ground quickly to extorvsye themselves from the donets salient and then strike hard with everything they have before the Russians hit dnipro?
Neither side can conduct such operations, and what I'm describing is 8 months later in 42 after barborassa failed.
But even in defeat post stalingrad germans in 43 lured the Russians into a trap which may have cost another year of hell.
Can Urkraine give ground quickly to extorvsye themselves from the donets salient and then strike hard with everything they have before the Russians hit dnipro?
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:42 am to Shreveportolewarskul
My point is Ukraine needs a miracle tactical and operational victory. Otherwise sue for peace. We don't have newe the resources to keep up. Every round or rocket depletes our precious reserves
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 1:49 am
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:51 am to BRIllini07
Lincoln was a tyrant. I've never heard a good defense of his actions before and your gibberish convinces me not
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:55 am to BRIllini07
Lincoln's first proposed 13th amendment was to guarantee slavery where it existed. Lincoln was a white nationalist and as piddling and involved in the war as Hitler was
Posted on 7/9/22 at 2:05 am to Shreveportolewarskul
But back to Ukraine how dies the West win absent some operational miracle. In US terms it would take Lee's 1862 miracle or better yet, review how the Germans managed to shut down the the soviet offensive post stalingrad. A dozen or two elite rocket systems are as elusive as victory tools and Nazi jets and tanks better than any for decades . ..on paper
Posted on 7/9/22 at 2:21 am to Shreveportolewarskul
The reality on the ground seems more like a first world front, combined with giant wwii salients. But better side has the ability to quickly maneuver to exploit weak defenses. Unless quickly Ukraine can demonstrate more than this will be a bloody squeeze to the dnieper
Posted on 7/9/22 at 2:39 am to Shreveportolewarskul
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My point is Ukraine needs a miracle tactical and operational victory. Otherwise sue for peace. We don't have newe the resources to keep up. Every round or rocket depletes our precious reserves
This is the sober synoptic reality that posters here refuse to accept.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 6:31 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 09 July 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Russia is moving reserve forces from across the country and assembling them near Ukraine for future offensive operations. A large proportion of the new infantry units are probably deploying with MT-LB armoured vehicles taken from long-term storage as their primary transport. While MT-LBs have previously been in service in support roles on both sides, Russia has long considered them unsuitable for most front-line infantry transport roles. It was originally designed in the 1950s as a tractor to pull artillery, has very limited armour, and only mounts a machine gun for protection.
In contrast, most of Russia's first echelon assault units were equipped with BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles in February, featuring armour up to 33mm thick and mounting a powerful 30mm autocannon and an anti-tank missile launcher. Despite President Putin's claim on 07 July 2022 that the Russian military has 'not even started its efforts in Ukraine, many of its reinforcements are ad hoc groupings, deploying with obsolete or inappropriate equipment.
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 09 July 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Russia is moving reserve forces from across the country and assembling them near Ukraine for future offensive operations. A large proportion of the new infantry units are probably deploying with MT-LB armoured vehicles taken from long-term storage as their primary transport. While MT-LBs have previously been in service in support roles on both sides, Russia has long considered them unsuitable for most front-line infantry transport roles. It was originally designed in the 1950s as a tractor to pull artillery, has very limited armour, and only mounts a machine gun for protection.
In contrast, most of Russia's first echelon assault units were equipped with BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles in February, featuring armour up to 33mm thick and mounting a powerful 30mm autocannon and an anti-tank missile launcher. Despite President Putin's claim on 07 July 2022 that the Russian military has 'not even started its efforts in Ukraine, many of its reinforcements are ad hoc groupings, deploying with obsolete or inappropriate equipment.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 6:39 am to Shreveportolewarskul
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. Otherwise sue for peace. We don't have newe the resources to keep up. Every round or rocket depletes our precious reserves
You've got that backwards.
It's Russia who cannot manufacture more military equipment. The West can feed material into this furnace basically forever. The allies supporting Ukraine have a military industrial base that's 100x more capable than Russia's.
Time is on Ukraine's side. Russia is bleeding material that they can't replace at an unsustainable rate. If Russia doesn't win outright -- and soon -- it will eventually exhaust itself and be subject to counter offensives.
Ukraine is training and equipping 100,000 men every 45 days. They have 1 million men in uniform now. They're getting stronger and Russia's window for victory is closing
Posted on 7/9/22 at 6:57 am to Shreveportolewarskul
quote:its weird that this sentiment is so strong
ut back to Ukraine how dies the West win absent some operational miracle.
the west has won
kyiv isnt getting conquered any time soon. the ukrainian government isnt being decapitated. whatever is left of ukraine will form a very strong relationship with the west
yes, we will ultimately most likely lose on a tactical level, but unless ukraine has a complete collapse, weve won a pretty strong strategic victory
Posted on 7/9/22 at 7:01 am to cypher
More Russian invaders’ ammunition depots burn and explode, now near Kherson
9 July, 2022
Enemy ammunition storage facility set ablaze in temporarily occupied Kherson.
City residents report that explosions were heard all around the city.
On July 9, around 8 am, residents of temporarily occupied Kherson heard several powerful explosions coming from the suburbs.
Later, locals began reporting black smoke visible over Chornobaivka.
Their social media videos feature fire, clouds of thick smoke rising up, and sounds of ammunition detonation.
High volume of the explosion sounds may indicate the amount of ammunition Russian invasion forces stored in the airport depot near Chornobaivka village.
Couple of decent videos in the link.
Defense industry of Ukraine
9 July, 2022
Enemy ammunition storage facility set ablaze in temporarily occupied Kherson.
City residents report that explosions were heard all around the city.
On July 9, around 8 am, residents of temporarily occupied Kherson heard several powerful explosions coming from the suburbs.
Later, locals began reporting black smoke visible over Chornobaivka.
Their social media videos feature fire, clouds of thick smoke rising up, and sounds of ammunition detonation.
High volume of the explosion sounds may indicate the amount of ammunition Russian invasion forces stored in the airport depot near Chornobaivka village.
Couple of decent videos in the link.
Defense industry of Ukraine
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 7:05 am
Posted on 7/9/22 at 7:17 am to Shreveportolewarskul
Ukraine has allowed Russia to extend to limit of its supplies then chop up the column type advance more than once. That was in the first month or two. In the Winter War between Russia and Finland that is how Finland stopped Russia They called this a motti, this was always in forests.
What Ukraine has done the last few months, example being Severodonetsk, is a fighting retreat such as how Field Marshal Slim turned the tide vs. Japan. It has played the fighting retreat card, causing way more casualties in Russian forces than sustained. Popasna was where Ukraine failed in the East. Moving out along a ridge there is how Russia had put pressure on Ukraine from a strategic advantage. Lysychansk was the strategic position, not Severodonetsk. Russia was able to pressure Lysychansk fron the sides, not really from Severodonetsk which was in a valley 500 feet below across a river. Russia was occupying a bombed out rail yard, city and a Viagra plant. is all
What Ukraine has done the last few months, example being Severodonetsk, is a fighting retreat such as how Field Marshal Slim turned the tide vs. Japan. It has played the fighting retreat card, causing way more casualties in Russian forces than sustained. Popasna was where Ukraine failed in the East. Moving out along a ridge there is how Russia had put pressure on Ukraine from a strategic advantage. Lysychansk was the strategic position, not Severodonetsk. Russia was able to pressure Lysychansk fron the sides, not really from Severodonetsk which was in a valley 500 feet below across a river. Russia was occupying a bombed out rail yard, city and a Viagra plant. is all
Posted on 7/9/22 at 7:24 am to Shreveportolewarskul
Russia's arms factories don't have the umph to replace what has been lost for several years. The factories also don't have critical parts manufacturing capability without the West. That is a huge problem for them unless Zelenskyy had of fled at the beginning, like planned. Artillery tubes don't last forever. Russia is not known for high quality steel. It cannot even make anything better than a 1960's quality automobile on its own.
No sarcasm intended in the least. It is well known in industrial circles how poor Russian technology is and its labor pool even worse
No sarcasm intended in the least. It is well known in industrial circles how poor Russian technology is and its labor pool even worse
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 7:26 am
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