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Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:34 pm to
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:34 pm to
Putin Says Russia "Has Not Yet Seriously Started Anything" In Ukraine

Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the Russian Federation has not yet taken serious action in the war against Ukraine, but also does not refuse peace negotiations. This was reported by the Russian agency Interfax on Thursday, July 7.

"Everyone should know that we, by and large, have not yet started anything in earnest. At the same time, we do not refuse peace negotiations either. But those who refuse should know that the further, the more difficult it will be for them to negotiate with us," the Russian president said.

Putin also said that the West wants to fight with Russia until the last Ukrainian, and called Russian aggression a tragedy of the Ukrainian people.

Ukrainian News Agency

Shared talking point, word for word, between Putin & The Appeasers.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:34 pm to
That is the entire point. These reserves in today's world only are applied to when production is lost in the Gulf of Mexico from hurricanes. It's the same two grades supplied by refineries with the processes dialed in specifically for these two grades. It really isn't about replacing supplies of disrupted imports any longer because we don't import these grades to where it can be refined out of SPR.

Crude oil is not some monolithic commodity. The futures markets are only sets of specifications which various crude oil sources are indexed to.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:35 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 10:27 pm
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:36 pm to
CircleK. Let's shimmy up the jim-jam.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29109 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:37 pm to
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I’m not an expert in oil, dude
Neither am I, but you don't have to be to understand the basic concepts being spelled out to you.
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You never give the Chinese our special reserves under literally any circumstances.
What don't you understand about we didn't do that?

Do you understand why several posters have tried to explain to you that oil is a fungible commodity? Do you even know what that means?

Are you ignoring the people trying to explain to you that there are different grades and types of oil, and that a given refinery can't just use whatever? What do you think banning the export of SPR oil would achieve?
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:38 pm to
Korkstand pontificatin'
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41452 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:41 pm to
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Do you understand why several posters have tried to explain to you that oil is a fungible commodity? Do you even know what that means?


No. And no.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16221 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:47 pm to
Just my opinion but a lot has changed since the 1970's in refining and infrastructure to transport crude oil so here is my recommendation.

Sell the SPR storage sites to private entities. Let these private entities store crude oil in grades which the market demands here in the USA. Allow other storage locations say East Coast, West Coast, and Midwest and make regional hubs instead of lumping all the storage caverns within 5 hr drive between the two farthest away
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:52 pm to
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alpinetiger


You are a worthless crackhead in this thread. Can you go play somewhere else?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16221 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:56 pm to
Selling to willing buyer, who then sells to a willing buyer.

Does this replace crude oil purchased from Russia?
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4684 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

"Everyone should know that we, by and large, have not yet started anything in earnest. At the same time, we do not refuse peace negotiations either. But those who refuse should know that the further, the more difficult it will be for them to negotiate with us," the Russian president said.
This brings to mind Merkel's quote about Putin living in his own universe. How can anyone be so out of touch?

But that's missing the point. He's not talking to the West. He's talking to the ones he really needs to negotiate with - the Russian population.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16221 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:58 pm to
You are stuck on the word "crude oil" You want to sell it to those who would have to stop buying from production coming up the pipeline from the Gulf of Mexico, and have those production sites lose money? I get it now
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29109 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:59 pm to
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This isn’t really about economics, dude

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it’s our strategic reserve
You're talking as if the strategy itself is contained within the oil, and that if our strategic oil ends up being sold to China via private industry then China has our strategy and we don't anymore.
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
3027 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 3:02 pm to
I have to agree with OLM, the SPR is not a political tool. It should be full and let for wartime use, or when there is a strategic need. Using it for political gain when it won't move the needle on gasoline & diesel prices is just f---ing stupid. Then again, it is the Biden administration.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29109 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 3:15 pm to
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I have to agree with OLM, the SPR is not a political tool. It should be full and let for wartime use, or when there is a strategic need. Using it for political gain when it won't move the needle on gasoline & diesel prices is just f---ing stupid.
I think we pretty much all agree on that. It's OML's sky screaming and silly objections to some of the oil ending up in China that doesn't make any sense.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
41452 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 3:23 pm to
OML makes your average Tiktok lib blush at his ability to melt over something he literally has no idea about.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24292 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

Sell the SPR storage sites to private entities. Let these private entities store crude oil in grades which the market demands here in the USA. Allow other storage locations say East Coast, West Coast, and Midwest and make regional hubs instead of lumping all the storage caverns within 5 hr drive between the two farthest away


This thread has lost its luster. Having said that there is a need for a crude oil refining grades in the US thread right? Is Ukraine losing?

I think we are a little in the weeds.
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
Member since Dec 2020
3128 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 3:46 pm to
You’re right, this thread is off track. Let me help for the silent scrolling crowd:


***CURRENT NO-bullshite SUMMARY AS OF 7/7/2022***

-Ukraine use of American HIMARS systems has increased, targeting strategic Russian assets such as ammo depots
-Russia announced “operational pause” likely due to (possibly temporary) shortages of ammo and equipment; the longer term implications of this are largely unknown and prone to excessive speculation
-Belarus continues more saber rattling
-Putin says he’s okay with Finland joining NATO, then says he isn’t, then spazzes out and retreats to his dacha to bathe in deer blood
-Western nations continuing to give more lethal aid to Ukraine, with more going towards offensive weapons than before
-Britain has begun training Ukrainian troops in mainland UK
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 3:47 pm to
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Sounds better than Biden and then Hillary Clinton’s America



It really doesn't.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 3:48 pm to
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I dislike "conservatives" who support this nonsense more than I dislike the most left wing SJW activist you could imagine.



Hey have you bought American-made clothing yet?
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