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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/4/22 at 11:31 pm to
Posted by sugar71
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 7/4/22 at 11:31 pm to
quote:

Russia recognized Ukraine's independence in 1991.

They reaffirmed this in 1994. No objections. No claims to any part of Ukraine.

"The USA,UK & Russia reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine....to respect to the Independence & Sovereignty & the existing borders of Ukraine "(Dec./1994)


Apologies to posters who want war updates.




Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4680 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 5:50 am to
HIMARS doing work.
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Aggressors report explosions and massive fire at the Donetsk railway station Monday, 4 July 2022, 22:22

Artillery ammo just arrived from Belarus most likely.



Videos of more recent ammo storage locations hit here. There have been at least 23 such sites hit in just the Donbas since June 24.

And now Putin announces that the Russians will take an "operational pause"... The truth is that the Russians have no offense without massed and sustained artillery fire and his artillery depots have been hit hard, severely impacting ammunition supply. What's left of the Belarus ammo will have to be stored far across the Russian border. And even then it will be vulnerable.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5759 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 6:39 am to
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And now Putin announces that the Russians will take an "operational pause".


"rest the troops" is Russian for running low on ammo.
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
3026 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 6:44 am to
Russians started the war.

Do they remember the people killed in the Malaysian airliner? The civilians killed on Russian Air strikes?

Time to finish the Russians!
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5759 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 6:45 am to
British Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 5 July 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Russia's relatively rapid capture of Lysychansk extends its control across virtually all of the territory of Luhansk Oblast, allowing it to claim substantive progress against the policy objective it presented as the immediate purpose of the war, namely 'liberating the Donbas.

Unlike in previous phases of the war, Russia has probably achieved reasonably effective co-ordination between at least two Groupings of Forces, the Central Grouping likely commanded by General-Colonel Alexandr Lapin and the Southern Grouping probably under the recently appointed General Sergei Surovikin.

Ukrainian forces have likely largely withdrawn in good order, in line with existing plans. The Ukrainian held areas of Sieverodonetsk-Lyschansk consisted of a bulge or salient which Russian could attack from three sides. There is a realistic possibility that Ukrainian forces will now be able to fall back to a more readily defendable, straightened front line,

The battle for the Donbas has been characterised by slow rates of advance and Russia's massed employment of artillery, levelling towns and cities in the process. The fighting in Donetsk Oblast will almost certainly continue in this manner.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42784 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 7:14 am to
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The battle for the Donbas has been characterised by slow rates of advance and Russia's massed employment of artillery, levelling towns and cities in the process. The fighting in Donetsk Oblast will almost certainly continue in this manner.


So Russia is leveling towns and cities because they want to be Russian?

Thxs for the good war reports.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 7:18 am to
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Videos of more recent ammo storage locations hit here. There have been at least 23 such sites hit in just the Donbas since June 24.

And now Putin announces that the Russians will take an "operational pause"... The truth is that the Russians have no offense without massed and sustained artillery fire and his artillery depots have been hit hard, severely impacting ammunition supply. What's left of the Belarus ammo will have to be stored far across the Russian border. And even then it will be vulnerable.


The restart will be interesting. Ukraine is starting to get more of the promised weapons, more time to get reserves on the battlefield, time to regroup and re-assemble units, etc.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 7:25 am to
How much territory did Ukraine lose yesterday? What time do the Ukraine counter offensive posts begin?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42784 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 7:54 am to
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How much territory did Ukraine lose yesterday? What time do the Ukraine counter offensive posts begin?



We shall see if there is a major counter attack, but I smell a slowdown on both sides. Russia may decide to settle on the current lines and Ukraine may be forced to accept.

Ukraine won the first few months; however, Russia clearly won June. What happens in July?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16199 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:07 am to
Likely on artillery tubes too. A howitzer can only take so many shells before it is unusable. the heavier the usage per day, the lower its lifespan.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16199 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:11 am to
Russia won ground but lost way more troops and equipment to take that ground. Such heavy use of artillery wears out the individual howitzers quicker. Barrels end up exploding when fired.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16199 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:13 am to
When did Russia turn back the tide against the German juggernaut in WWII? Also, Russia lost a lot more men than the Germans did, in Ukraine it's the other was around
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:18 am to
Ukraine was never going to win. Russia is fighting with limited men and equip, they could easily overwhelm the Ukraine.

We need them to negotiate for peace, not spread this war. We are subsidizing war.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4680 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:19 am to
The fighting in the Donbas over the last two months was done on Russian terms. Unlike the Kiev campaign, in the Donbas they had the Russian border at their backs. Thus shorter, multiple logistics routes. Secondly, they had a very large advantage in artillery and artillery ammunition. The most significant problem the Ukrainians had was a chronic lack of artillery ammunition. This continues today and must be addressed. A final advantage was the greater range of most of the Russian artillery, which negates most counter-battery fire.

So how do you fight an artillery-based ground war when your opponent has a major advantage in numbers and range of artillery ammunition? Answer: HIMARS. The HIMARS missiles are too expensive and valuable to use on targets such as individual artillery batteries. So you get smart and use them to force a change in the Russian tactics. You prevent your opponent’s artillery weapons from receiving ammunition in a timely manner. With the 70km range and – critically – the high accuracy of the HIMARS missiles, the Russians will be forced to disperse their ammo storage and remove it from a position of close support. Far from a position of close support. No more shorter, multiple logistics routes.

Then the now-extended road and rail infrastructure will be attacked – bridges and natural bottlenecks will be taken out. This will add significant delays in supplying the ammunition to the batteries. The trucks will have to load at numerous small dispersal points 100-150km from the batteries and drive a long and degraded road network to reach their destinations. If they start backing up into a traffic jam, they will be a target. In this manner, the Ukrainians can quickly take advantage of any disruptions of Russian artillery ammunition. Without their massed artillery umbrella, the Russians have no advantage.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:21 am to
"The strongest of all warriors are these two — Time and Patience.” - Fyodor Dostoevsky

This post was edited on 7/5/22 at 8:22 am
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:41 am to
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Russia won ground but lost way more troops and equipment to take that ground. Such heavy use of artillery wears out the individual howitzers quicker. Barrels end up exploding when fired.
Don't forget to clock out.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16199 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:44 am to
Apparently, Auburn fans on this thread are not that bright and cowards.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38222 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:54 am to
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Russia is fighting with limited men and equip, they could easily overwhelm the Ukraine.



not true at all. not even close to true.

quote:


We need them to negotiate for peace, not spread this war. We are subsidizing war.


with ukraine coming out today saying the will need 750 billion for post war recovery...i agree. thats on top of the 5billion they are saying they need every month to keep the war up.

frick that. this is a european problem, europe can pay for this shite. the usa already rebuilt europe once, we shouldnt have to pay for this shite.


and frick russia for putting us in this position. frick the whole frickign country. hope they rot for the next dozens years and end up exactly like they were after the fall of the ussr, a poor shithole.

as much as i hate russia, frick ukraine too. i hope they kill as many russians as possible and win, but frick giving them any more money and they can pay for their own recovery or get europe too. America should be done rebuilding other countries.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42784 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:55 am to
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Ukraine was never going to win. Russia is fighting with limited men and equip, they could easily overwhelm the Ukraine.


I didn’t think they had a chance. I thought it would be over by now. Guess what? It’s not.

And if Russia could have easily won by now without nukes they would have already done so. The fact is they couldn’t.

quote:


We need them to negotiate for peace, not spread this war. We are subsidizing war.



We are subsidizing the war. We are giving Ukranians a chance. Remember France gave us a chance once.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74066 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 9:07 am to
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Apparently, Auburn fans on this thread are not that bright and cowards.


Did you post this from the trenches in Ukraine?

No?

Until you have experienced combat yourself, don’t go calling others cowards.
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