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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/1/22 at 6:50 pm to jeffsdad
Posted on 7/1/22 at 6:50 pm to jeffsdad
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sewage
if about half of the posters in the past several pages suddenly burst into flames in front of me, the only thing i would regret is not having marshmallows...their egos so far outweigh their intellects that it is laughable, at best...
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 6:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:So just take our ball and go home? Ignore promises and agreements? Allow evil to do as it pleases?
Doesn't matter. Its not our war. Its Europe's problem.
Most of us are tired of funding european military concerns.
What would have to happen to justify our involvement? How disruptive do things need to get before you will give your blessing? Have you heard the phrase 'an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure'? Do you think that logic applies here in any way?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 6:53 pm to SOSFAN
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I guarantee everyone that is for this hasn't donated a dime of their personal money to the cause.
I’d donate a lot of dimes for you to stfu with this stupid point.
I didn’t get a say in the money that goes to shithole countries in the ME or Africa.
I didn’t get a say in the trillion+ dollars a year spent on transfer payments.
I didn’t get a say in federal funding of planned parenthood.
I didn’t get a say in funding studying on whale mating patterns and other dumb shite that doesn’t matter.
I didn’t get a say in the bailouts of the financial crisis.
I didn’t get a say in the trillions of covid relief money and where it went.
I didn’t get a say in the $2.5 trillion spent on the war on terror.
I didn’t get a say in the utter stupidity of leaving behind $40 billion in equipment after spending $2.5 trillion in the first place.
Stfu about donating for a cause or not. Washington doesn’t give a flying frick what you want to spend your tax dollars on. They spend on what they want. I don’t like it either and there’s no changing it until you Billy bad asses convince enough people to go up there and change it by force.
At least this money is generating more bang for the buck for our geopolitical interests for the last 75+ year than any other crock of shite they’d spend it on anyway.
Jesus this thread is off the rails today.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 7:06 pm to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
Just because this thread has gone to complete shite already
How much money should we send to Taiwan if China attempts to take it over military?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 7:13 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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President Vladimir Putin has raised the stakes in an economic war with the West and its allies with a decree that seizes full control of the Sakhalin-2 gas and oil project in Russia's far east, a move that could force out Shell and Japanese investors.
Reuters link to story
Posted on 7/1/22 at 7:14 pm to Malik Agar
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What exactly have the BILLIONS of dollars in "aid" that we've given ukraine actually done for US citizens? Any of you rat-faced zelenksy dickriders wanna answer if the return on investements have been worth it?
Exposed Russia as a wholly inefficient and outdated fighting force for the world to see.
Long run this allows us to more comfortably focus on the true greater geopolitical threat and diminishes the future chance of a two front war with two near superpowers - China and Russia.
Speaking of China, a change in their very pro-Russia foreign minister to one much more favorable to repairing US relations is worth the money alone. Our annual trade deficit with China is around $285 billion. A 10% improvement in that is $28 billion, per year. That doesn’t factor some give and take potentially gains on Asia pacific security.
Also speaking of China, this seems to have thrown a big wrinkle into the previously increasing possibility of China doing this same exercise in Taiwan, which would cause us much much larger problems than a war in Ukraine.
Greatly bolsters the eastern flank of NATO with the addition of Finland, NATO troop & equipment repositioning, strengthening former Soviet nations like Poland, the Baltics, and the balkans as their soviet era equipment donated to Ukraine gets replaced with western systems which, wait for it, creates economic growth for the US defense industry. MIC aside, this creates jobs, additional tax revenue, additional construction to handle it, more jobs, and more tax revenue.
Breaking EU dependence on Russian energy, even if a longer process, which further weakens Russia in the future, strengthens Europe to have more power and not be beholden to Russia to have the lights on. If we can get our shite together this also means more LNG exports to the EU, and wait for it, more economic growth for US energy sector.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 7:14 pm to Korkstand
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So just take our ball and go home?
We arent there. We just meddle and give them money. We have no "ball" to take home.
We interject ourselves into every world situation and wonder why we are hated. Its because we are the biggest bully on the block.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 7:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We interject ourselves into every world situation and wonder why we are hated. Its because we are the biggest bully on the block.
This is something you’d hear at your local DSA chapter. Did you join?
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 7:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Do you not get the metaphor or what?
We arent there. We just meddle and give them money. We have no "ball" to take home.
quote:I don't particularly care for most of the things we do, either, but the fact of the matter is that we have enormous power, and as the adage goes we cannot avoid the responsibility that comes with that.
We interject ourselves into every world situation and wonder why we are hated. Its because we are the biggest bully on the block.
So you can think of us as a bully if you want, but if it's not us then someone else will be the bully. I'll give you two guesses who that will be, and they'll both be right.
Also for purely national self-serving reasons, it's better for us to maintain influence globally.
Why do you even give a shite if we are hated?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 8:04 pm to doubleb
quote:They gave up nearly 2000 nuclear warheads & hundreds of ICBMs, mostly pointed at the US , among other warheads plus the blueprints & means of production. The US had a vested interest in Ukrainian denuclearization & put heavy pressure on Ukraine with security assurances.
I know we guaranteed to help Ukraine if they gave up their nukes. They gave up their nukes. Now they are in trouble.
Now we're supposed to just abandon them . It's unconscionable & if I'm N Korea, Iran, Libya( too late) , etc.....I certainly understand the mistrust they have when it comes to nuclear talks.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 8:06 pm to Korkstand
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fact of the matter is that we have enormous power
Because we meddle, a lot.
The biggest difference between liberals and progressives, Liberals weren't war mongers.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 8:08 pm to LSUPilot07
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 8:34 pm to OMLandshark
Yup. We need those chip plants built in the USA yesterday.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 8:38 pm to OMLandshark
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A country of 145 million people most of which have nothing to do with this? Very Hitlerian of you. You are genocidal.
Didn't you suggest taking out the civilian government of Pakistan because you blame the entire country for harboring OBL? That might have been a few years ago though.
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No one has answered that, although crazyforLSU claims to have.
Go to page 1184 and 1185 of this thread to see my answer and then your response.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 8:41 pm to OMLandshark
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Taiwan is a very different situation from Ukraine. Ukraine being invaded is a major annoyance for the world. If Taiwan is invaded, then societies collapse. You don’t understand how important that island is.
No, you are just emotional about both in two different directions. Seriously, you showcase the defense mechanism called splitting a lot. Do you have borderline?
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