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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:00 pm to lsu777
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:00 pm to lsu777
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soooo now ukraine is coming out and saying they need 5billion every month??? sorry but im out. hurting russia is not worth the amount of money we are spending. what happens in ukraine has virtually zero effect on the day to day life of the average american. frick russia, but at some point, enough is enough.
Exactly. Giving Ukraine 60 billion a year to barely stay afloat isn’t going to fly with most people.
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Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:02 pm to Lima Whiskey
Do you have any connection to Russia? Did you live there at some point? Are you Russian living in the US? Parents Russian? etc...
ETA: I ask because of this statement (bolding added by me)
ETA: I ask because of this statement (bolding added by me)
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I think desindustrialization has severely hurt us. We would struggle to fight a peer enemy because of the small stocks of munitions and weapons, and our limited production capacity.
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:03 pm to cypher
How many people and how much equipment are those countries sending to the USA to help protect us?
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:04 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Russia does not have the capability of fighting NATO.
I think desindustrialization has severely hurt us. We would struggle to fight a peer enemy because of the small stocks of munitions and weapons, and our limited production capacity.
Anytime your crew attempts to wade into economic impacts in this conversation, you continually out-stupid yourselves.
The U.S. manufacturing sector all on its own is more than 4 times larger than the entire Russian GDP. The U.S. has never de-industrialized and U.S. manufacturing output is larger in both $ terms and in tonnage than it has ever been and it dwarves everyone else in the world by an exponential factor with the one exception of China (whose manufacturing sector is about 2/3rd's the size of the U.S.).
Try again without looking like an idiot.
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:05 pm to ruff fish
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Does she respect their voices and desire?
Now tell me about Kharkiv, Kyiv, and Kherson and Russia's desire to take them over (before Russia changed the goal of the war)
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And in the Falkland Islands, 11 thousand kilometers from England, the Royal Navy with an aircraft carrier and submarines sailed to respect ....
I thought so
I mean this is about as weak of response as you could have had
The UK had territorial rights to the island and Argentina invaded because they thought they had rights over the British citizens living there. The Falklands never voted to join Argentina.
It'd be like if Russia just showed up and started trying to take over Ukrainian lands because they thought they had territorial rights to it...oh wait
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:05 pm to ruff fish
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what happens in ukraine has virtually zero effect on the day to day life of the average american.
You're wrong.
It even influences. Go to your nearest gas station and compare the price of gasoline today and before the imposition of sanctions against Russia
Some facts:
Average price of regular all formulations of retail gasoline US
7/20 $2.10 per gallon
2/21 $2.41 Biden takes office
7/21 $2.99
2/22 $3.52 Russian invasion
5/22 $4.44 my source doesn’t have June yet
The Russian invasion certainly exacerbated the gas problem, but gas prices had been steadily increasing prior to that time.
How much is Russia, and his much is Joe Biden? The Dems want us to think it’s all Russia’s fault, but obviously it’s not.
LINK
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:07 pm to ruff fish
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Go to your nearest gas station and compare the price of gasoline today and before the imposition of sanctions against Russia
Wait, you ACTUALLY believe that is Putin’s fault.
frick Russia and all, but how fricking stupid are you?
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:08 pm to jimmy the leg
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Wait, you ACTUALLY believe that is Putin’s fault.
It's a contributing factor, but not the only factor.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:09 pm to ruff fish
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Nothing like that, it's just that Russia has come too close to the borders of NATO.
For the past 30 years, she has constantly moved closer to them, breaking all promises not to move closer.
What promises?
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During the 1990 summit, Zoellick says President Gorbachev accepted the idea of German unification within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, based on the principle that every country should freely choose its own alliances.
“I was in those meetings, and Gorbachev has [also] said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO,” Zoellick recalls. Soviet Foreign Minister, Eduard Shevardnadze, later president of Georgia, concurred, he says. Nor does the treaty on Germany’s unification include a limit on NATO enlargement. Those facts have undermined one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s justifications for invading Ukraine — that the United States had agreed that former Warsaw Pact nations would never become part of the North Atlantic security alliance.
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Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:12 pm to ruff fish
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Nothing like that, it's just that Russia has come too close to the borders of NATO.
For the past 30 years, she has constantly moved closer to them, breaking all promises not to move closer.
Link to these promises please.
If needed I can link you to a pact Russia made to honor Ukraine’s sovereignty.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:12 pm to Chromdome35
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It's a contributing factor
This has been allowed to take place.
Our refining capacity could be more, but it isn’t, and unless you are an idiot...then you know why.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:16 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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The U.S. manufacturing sector all on its own is more than 4 times larger than the entire Russian GDP. The U.S. has never de-industrialized and U.S. manufacturing output is larger in both $ terms and in tonnage than it has ever been and it dwarves everyone else in the world by an exponential factor with the one exception of China (whose manufacturing sector is about 2/3rd's the size of the U.S.).
Are you sure this is correct, I think China has vastly out produced the Us for quite a few years now. And I think the gap is widening even with Covid.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:19 pm to lsu777
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soooo now ukraine is coming out and saying they need 5billion every month???
sorry but im out. hurting russia is not worth the amount of money we are spending.
what happens in ukraine has virtually zero effect on the day to day life of the average american.
frick russia, but at some point, enough is enough.
Sad it took you this long to get to this point.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:20 pm to ruff fish
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You're wrong.
It even influences. Go to your nearest gas station and compare the price of gasoline today and before the imposition of sanctions against Russia
you cant be this fricking stupid can you?
its not possible, please tell me its not.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:21 pm to Blitzed
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Sad it took you this long to get to this point.
not really, i been bitching about the cost from the start and said from the start it was 100% a european problem. also was ok with weapon systems and some other things...but at this point im done.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:23 pm to Chromdome35
I’m a Virginian. I have no Russian ancestry.
I did study Russia in college, and I’ve spent time in Moscow.
That’s my sloppy writing, I have a parallelism error there.
Any war with Russia would go nuclear quickly, but in some pretend scenario where we fought a conventional war with Russia, we’d have serious issues. They have larger stockpiles of everything, and they have a larger military industrial base than we do.
I did study Russia in college, and I’ve spent time in Moscow.
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I ask because of this statement (bolding added by me)
That’s my sloppy writing, I have a parallelism error there.
Any war with Russia would go nuclear quickly, but in some pretend scenario where we fought a conventional war with Russia, we’d have serious issues. They have larger stockpiles of everything, and they have a larger military industrial base than we do.
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:25 pm to Pfft
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The U.S. manufacturing sector all on its own is more than 4 times larger than the entire Russian GDP. The U.S. has never de-industrialized and U.S. manufacturing output is larger in both $ terms and in tonnage than it has ever been and it dwarves everyone else in the world by an exponential factor with the one exception of China (whose manufacturing sector is about 2/3rd's the size of the U.S.).
Are you sure this is correct, I think China has vastly out produced the Us for quite a few years now. And I think the gap is widening even with Covid.
It can vary on how you measure it and what exactly is and is not included, but by revenue, the largest estimate you'll see for American mfg is ~$6T. The smallest estimates you'll see will be in the $2.5 - 3B range. I'd guess that # includes some industries that are manufacturing-adjacent such as aerospace.
Regardless, the idea that the U.S. doesn't have the production capacity to compete with near peers is ludicrous.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:25 pm to lsu777
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also was ok with weapon systems and some other things..
So something that could potentially pull America in WW3? Those things also cost money btw.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:25 pm to Lima Whiskey
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but in some pretend scenario where we fought a conventional war with Russia, we’d have serious issues. They have larger stockpiles of everything, and they have a larger military industrial base than we do.
Jesus christ
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:30 pm to alpinetiger
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You have no idea how the oil industry really works, that is hidden from public consumption. Iran has been supplying oil to Israel since the early 70's at least, among many other countries. Marc Rich and about two dozen other global characters (including Kissinger) have facilitated the trading of oil - sanctions be damned - for about two generations. All with the tacit knowledge and blessing of the US. It continues today, but it appears France and Germany aren't very good at clandestine oil trading. It's probably more likely that they are just out of practice. What's reported is so far removed from how the energy markets work.
Huh, it's any wonder that Iran wants sanctions removed.
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