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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:13 pm to doubleb
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:13 pm to doubleb
Are precision guided munitions practical or affordable in a serious conventional war? What happens if you’re going through millions of artillery rounds?
Maybe a mix makes sense.
The Russian PGMs are accurate.
Maybe a mix makes sense.
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while Russia shoots 10 missiles at an ammo dump and they hit the mall, the railway station, the hospital, the kindergarten, the park, the River and four vacant lots.
The Russian PGMs are accurate.
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 2:21 pm
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Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:15 pm to doubleb
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Look at how many missiles the Russians are launching daily, and the number of shells they’re going through.
I was going to post something about how the US used way more in Iraq, but I can't find anything other than plans calling for than 3,000 missiles being fired. So if someone can find that info I'll change up this post as it looks like we used less.
As of May 10th:
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But Russia has still fired more than 2,100 missiles into Ukraine.
LINK
It's one of the reasons why people are saying they are using more dumb weapons now-a-days as they have hurt their stockpile with this war
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:19 pm to StormyMcMan
The actual size of munition stockpiles for both Russia and the US is closely guarded; however, both countries have a minimum size they must maintain in order to have enough stock to support a war with the other.
The US sent 33% of our javelin stockpile to Ukraine, I doubt we will send many more.
The US sent 33% of our javelin stockpile to Ukraine, I doubt we will send many more.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:22 pm to crazy4lsu
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Is there any country that isn't reliant in some respect on another for some raw materials?
Its almost like we live in a global economy...
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:27 pm to Chromdome35
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The US sent 33% of our javelin stockpile to Ukraine, I doubt we will send many more.
And you know this because.....?????
Seriously, do you think we would Telegraph what we have?
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:28 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The Russian PGMs are accurate.
Did they use it yet?
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:31 pm to Chromdome35
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I am in full agreement with Lima on this topic.
We do not have the necessary industrial base to quickly ramp up production to support a full-blown war.
Why would you think that? Just because it takes months to get a work truck or a condensing unit.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:31 pm to StormyMcMan
The Russian "bear" has been cornered by NATO expansions. The Russian Federation has repeatedly shown its concerns and fears.
It's useless, everything is like peas on the wall.
Well Well then decided to defend their security by force.
Putin said "we are ready for any scenario," for the entire time of his reign, he did not lie about his intentions. According to everything I see while in Russia, no more than 20% of the existing weapons and army are fighting with us.
And the latest weapons were not used at all.
Are you afraid of the war with NATO? Well, in our history it has already happened that we fought almost from half the world. The remaining 80% adhere to just this case.
After the United States climbed into Ukraine, we have nowhere to retreat. Ukraine was the territory of Russia.
If the Kremlin loses, then I am more than sure there will be a nuclear war. I am not kidding.
And yes, I understand that not bouquets of flowers will fly in my direction either.
It's useless, everything is like peas on the wall.
Well Well then decided to defend their security by force.
Putin said "we are ready for any scenario," for the entire time of his reign, he did not lie about his intentions. According to everything I see while in Russia, no more than 20% of the existing weapons and army are fighting with us.
And the latest weapons were not used at all.
Are you afraid of the war with NATO? Well, in our history it has already happened that we fought almost from half the world. The remaining 80% adhere to just this case.
After the United States climbed into Ukraine, we have nowhere to retreat. Ukraine was the territory of Russia.
If the Kremlin loses, then I am more than sure there will be a nuclear war. I am not kidding.
And yes, I understand that not bouquets of flowers will fly in my direction either.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:31 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The Russian PGMs are accurate.
Oh so then they deliberately attacked civilian targets. Thanks for clearing that up.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:32 pm to ruff fish
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It's funny, I read this exact statement about the United States from all sides of this planet.
For all the decades of wars with rivals like the "banana republics", did the United States have real ones capable of hitting back?
Not weak Satdam Hussein or Qatdafi. With whom the United States can and competed and subsequently won with dignity?
You need to define your question better because there are only 2 - 3 militaries now who could hit back.
Russia taking on American air power would look a lot more like Qaddafi or Saddam than some near peer. We would obliterate your air defenses within 48 hours.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:36 pm to ruff fish
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If the Kremlin loses, then I am more than sure there will be a nuclear war. I am not kidding.
So we should all pull for Russia so they don’t blow us all up?
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:41 pm to doubleb
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=102924918&s=2&p=101373605#102924918
The US provided Ukraine with 5.5K Javelins which represent 33% of the Javelin stockpile. Meaning we have 11K remaining in the stockpile. Lockhead Martin can currently produce 2K units per year and is going to expand that to 4K per year in the coming years.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39946577/us-to-replace-javelin-stinger-missile-stockpiles-sent-to-ukraine/
The US provided Ukraine with 5.5K Javelins which represent 33% of the Javelin stockpile. Meaning we have 11K remaining in the stockpile. Lockhead Martin can currently produce 2K units per year and is going to expand that to 4K per year in the coming years.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39946577/us-to-replace-javelin-stinger-missile-stockpiles-sent-to-ukraine/
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So far, the Department of Defense has sent at least 5,500 FGM-148 Javelin anti-tank missiles and 1,400 FIM-92E Stinger anti-aircraft missiles to Ukraine. These are big numbers even by Pentagon standards; Mark Cancian, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies estimates the U.S. has sent Ukraine about one-third of its total inventory of Javelin missiles, and one-quarter of its stockpile of Stinger missiles. The stockpiles are maintained worldwide to ensure the armed forces can respond to emergencies across the globe—from Russia in Europe, to China and North Korea in Asia— and even respond to multiple emergencies simultaneously.
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The United States, Poland, and Estonia have sent Javelins to Ukraine, weapons that all three countries will eventually need to replace. The Javelin missile, first issued in the mid-1990s, is still in production. To replenish those stockpiles, Lockheed Martin is set to ramp up production of the Javelin from 2,100 a year to 4,000 missiles a year. Although that sounds like a lot of missiles, it would still take two years at that rate just to backfill America’s Javelin inventory. The company will also require additional time to set up the supply chain to provide parts for the missiles, no small feat considering the global shortage of semiconductors, which the Javelin’s guidance system is reliant upon.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:42 pm to Stidham8
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Exactly. Giving Ukraine 60 billion a year to barely stay afloat isn’t going to fly with most people.
Lol at thinking most people even know what Washington does to give a shite. We give Afghanistan $5 billion/year. You think most people agree with that if you told them and asked their opinion?
That said, the EU needs to step the frick up. We’re gonna spend the $60 billion a year regardless on dumb shite, but if the west is going to continue helping Ukraine in an effective capacity it needs to be the west and not 95% the US.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:48 pm to doubleb
Elon would figure it out if the war powers were invoked to make ammo. I think we'll be alright.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:50 pm to Obtuse1
Likely all of them rushed to buy their NSA Spy Blocker for their laptops in 2015 from a campaign. It's all the fault of the Joos, don't you know
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:51 pm to doubleb
Because weapon systems have become so sophisticated that we can't just slap them together like we did in WW2. Combine that with the loss of heavy manufacturing capacity in the US due to it moving overseas and you have a severely reduced capacity to churn out weapons.
I grew up in Camden Arkansas, a small town. Just east of town there was a massive Naval ammunition depot that was decommissioned after the Korean war. Since then, Defense Industry has taken over a lot of the facilities. It's where the M270 MRLS is built by Lockheed Martin. As far as I know, it's the only place the US where it's built. One facility...same for M1's.
I grew up in Camden Arkansas, a small town. Just east of town there was a massive Naval ammunition depot that was decommissioned after the Korean war. Since then, Defense Industry has taken over a lot of the facilities. It's where the M270 MRLS is built by Lockheed Martin. As far as I know, it's the only place the US where it's built. One facility...same for M1's.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:55 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
With Finland and Sweden getting the official Nato invites, the landscape seems to have entered new era.
I hope Ukraine can keep all or the vast majority of their territory, but I think Nato is on notice now not to let Russia go into a more expansionist phase unchallenged.
I hope Ukraine can keep all or the vast majority of their territory, but I think Nato is on notice now not to let Russia go into a more expansionist phase unchallenged.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 3:00 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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You need to define your question better because there are only 2 - 3 militaries now who could hit back.
Russia taking on American air power would look a lot more like Qaddafi or Saddam than some near peer. We would obliterate your air defenses within 48 hours.
In this case, I'm embarrassed to ask, why didn't the United States smash the Korean baby Eun to smithereens?
After all, Yn's army is 100 times weaker than the Russian one !!!
It seems the operation "Fire and Fury" was called.
I remember Eun threw offensive words to the whole world in the direction of the United States.
And near the shores of the Northern Koi, the aircraft carrier "Karl Wilson" sailed.
When Eun threatened to strike the United States, both Karl and Wilson sailed home. Why?
Posted on 6/29/22 at 3:02 pm to doubleb
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So we should all pull for Russia so they don’t blow us all up?
Can I decide for you?
Posted on 6/29/22 at 3:04 pm to ruff fish
Ruff, I know Engish isn't your first language and I can usually figure out what you mean.
In this case, I don't understand what your saying. Who/what is Korean Baby EUN? What is Karl Wilson, we don't have any carriers with that name...we do have one named Karl Vinson.
In this case, I don't understand what your saying. Who/what is Korean Baby EUN? What is Karl Wilson, we don't have any carriers with that name...we do have one named Karl Vinson.
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