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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/30/22 at 6:36 am to
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 6:36 am to
Maybe they've decided to put tanks on the battlefield that are worth less than the $170k weapon needed to destroy them.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30737 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 6:41 am to
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I wonder if the Russian strategy is to feed ancient tanks into the buzz saw until Ukraine runs out of anti-tank rounds.


While I would not put it past them given their historical lack of concern for their soldiers' lives I think it is much deeper than that.

The US military is good about PMCS but still has a not insignificant number of vehicles inoperable and waiting for intermediate (DS/GS) and depot level maintenance and repair at any given time. I have a strong feeling that the Russian vehicle numbers are a farce and many of their tanks for example can not be deployed. I wouldn't doubt half of their T72 tanks, for example, are sitting in boneyards being stripped for parts and can not be made operational on any reasonable time line.

ETA to correct PMSC to PMCS
This post was edited on 5/30/22 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 7:42 am to
I listened to the Perun podcast/video on corruption in the Russian military, and while it does not state any final conclusions, it strongly suggests that the top down corruption pervasive in the Russian military has left them with just a shell of a military. Examples cited were pulling copper wiring out of tanks to sell for scrap along with optics. Additionally, there is the suggestion that required maintenance would not be performed so that the money could be used instead to supplement the supply master’s wages.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 8:32 am to
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You do understand that you don’t need the newest tank to police the towns villages you have just conquered.



But Comrade Commissar,

You told us that the Ukrainians were begging to join Russia. That they all want to be Russian.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5996 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 8:35 am to
“The intent of Russia’s “special military operation” is to protect the Russian language and culture. At that point Lavrov made the comparison with our country. He told the French journalist: “For the West, it was all the same thing that happened with the Russian language, Russian education, with the Russian media, which were banned by law. For example, how would France react if Belgium banned the French language?””



The French would clearly turn Bruges and Ghent into rubble, rape a bunch of Belgian woman that have no idea what is happening, and pillage Belgium of all its waffles.

I finally understand. Thank you Lavrov for putting this in terms I can understand. Those Ukrainians deserve to lose their houses and dignity.
This post was edited on 5/30/22 at 8:40 am
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 8:48 am to
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“The intent of Russia’s “special military operation” is to protect the Russian language and culture. At that point Lavrov made the comparison with our country. He told the French journalist: “For the West, it was all the same thing that happened with the Russian language, Russian education, with the Russian media, which were banned by law. For example, how would France react if Belgium banned the French language?””


The liar forgot to mention that the Ukrainian language was banned during the entirety of the Soviet Union. And Russians are banning it now in occupied territories such as Kherson.
This post was edited on 5/30/22 at 8:49 am
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 8:58 am to
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The French would clearly turn Bruges and Ghent into rubble, rape a bunch of Belgian woman that have no idea what is happening, and pillage Belgium of all its waffles.


With their culinary acumen, Paris would just instigate a war between the Liege waffle disciples and the Brussels waffle apostles and watch Belgium implode from within. In case it starts I want to be on record supporting Liege so as not to be called a bandwagon jumper. Everyone that has visited Belgium knows the Liege waffle is superior.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13173 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 9:17 am to
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I listened to the Perun podcast/video


Thanks for the mention, it's always nice when a new Perun podcast drops. It's amazing that the guy has gone from a few thousand viewers for his gaming videos to hundreds of thousands or even over a million views for his stuff on the Ukraine war. Highly recommended for comprehensive analysis of the big picture - Perun on Youtube.
Posted by cyogi
Member since Feb 2009
5145 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 9:28 am to
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Who else is celebrating the recent Russian victories over that globalist fraud Zelenskyy?


You and maybe a few others, comrade.
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 9:37 am to
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The liar forgot to mention that the Ukrainian language was banned during the entirety of the Soviet Union. And Russians are banning it now in occupied territories such as Kherson.



Did you just come up with this? During the Soviet Union, on the contrary, Russians living in Ukraine were forced to learn the Ukrainian language. I am speaking to you as a witness.
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 9:44 am to
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The liar forgot to mention that the Ukrainian language was banned during the entirety of the Soviet Union. And Russians are banning it now in occupied territories such as Kherson.

Write me at least one ban on Ukrainian in the Crimea or in the Donbas, which Ukraine has been bombing for 8 years, I will send your question to the local administration and the one who bans the Ukrainian language will be immediately punished. At least there will be a fine.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5761 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 10:01 am to
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And Russians are banning it now in occupied territories such as Kherson.


It goes way beyond language. They are changing school curriculum to rewrite history being taught.

Excerpt from linked article.

Ukrainian Teachers Balk As Moscow Seeks To Impose 'Russian Standards' In Occupied Territories

If there is further resistance in Kherson, then Russia will send a “landing force” of volunteer teachers, said Vladimir Konstantinov, the speaker of the Russian parliament of Crimea.

He said Crimea has already started "collecting literature for students of schools in the liberated territories."

Konstantinov did not give details on the “literature” Crimea is preparing to give to teachers and students in the newly occupied territories but an analysis of educational practices since Russia seized the peninsula indicates it is likely to focus on history, literature, and language.

Russia had been forcing educators in Crimea to teach Ukrainian students Russian history, not Ukrainian. Russian history books paper over the starvation of millions of Ukrainians in the 1930s by Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, an event known as the 'Holodomor,' which Ukraine and several other nations consider to be genocide. Russian school books have also replaced the historical term 'Kievan Rus,' the ancient state that gave rise to both Ukraine and Russia, with just 'Rus.'

Russia has also cut back on teaching Ukrainian language and literature in Crimea while expanding Russian "patriotic" indoctrination, including promoting youth paramilitary organizations.

Prominent Crimean Tatar leader Ilmi Umerov said the education system is a "very important" tool for Russia as it seeks to hold on to the occupied regions.

He said he expects the "rewriting of history" to come next.

RadioFreeEurope
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 10:25 am to
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It goes way beyond language. They are changing school curriculum to rewrite history being taught.

Excerpt from linked article.
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To learn how not to actually read the papers, ask the locals. Yes, at least I have. Radio Liberty is funded by the US, the same team that brought Biden to power. Residents of Kherson and other cities, on the contrary, are glad that they can speak their native language. Who wants to can study in Ukrainian. On the contrary, during the time of Ukraine they were forced to speak only Ukrainian.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8686 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 10:55 am to
They can destroy those T-62’s without needed if their JAVELINS or NLAWs. They also have a large quantity of RPG’s and Gustaf anti tank weapons that can easily destroy an old T-62. Any trained soldier can tell the older tanks apart from the “newer” ones even though Russia hardly has anything new in the sense that we know that word. They aren’t going to run out of anti-tank weapons with so many countries sending large stockpiles.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38249 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 11:17 am to
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Did you just come up with this? During the Soviet Union, on the contrary, Russians living in Ukraine were forced to learn the Ukrainian language. I am speaking to you as a witness.


Well take it up with the Soviets then since they ran the country at the time.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 11:21 am to
Neil Hauer

LINK

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Talking with a few exhausted soldiers in Bakhmut, just back from the frontlines. "We don't have any new weapons here, new forces, nothing," says one of them. Another, who fought in 2014: "I'm expected to fight a tank with my Kalashnikov. We're just cannon fodder. We're fricked."


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Very pessimistic towards Ukrainian leadership: "You have to understand that there are two castes in this country: the upper, and the lower. We're the lower. They get the money, and we're expected to just march forward and die."


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There has been a lot of focus, rightly, on Russian casualty rates to date. But Ukrainian forces have also been mauled, with Russian troops better utilizing combined arms efforts and superior firepower. As any Ukrainian soldier out here will tell you, they're badly outgunned.


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The road from Bakhmut to Lysychansk is a deathtrap at best and even the road from Siversk sounds very dangerous now. After capture of Lyman, there's fear for the next stage of the Russian offensive.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13173 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 11:25 am to
After listening to Perun dissect just how debilitating corruption can be to a military there was one tidbit that I found to be amazingly comical. According to sources in Belarus one key reason that the drive on Kyiv failed was that Russian troops didn't really expect to invade and had sold off a large part of their diesel supplies. That's why Ukrainian farmers were hauling off their vehicles with tractors. Just mind boggling. If this had been put into a dark comedy like The Death of Stalin I probably would have thought it too far over the top to be believable.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 11:35 am to
Then try and explain the Russification period of 1933-1957. Explain the Executed RennaIssance of 1920-30's. Explains Stalins policy of the "Great Turn" Explain the Great Purge of the 1930's.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5761 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 11:46 am to
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. Radio Liberty is funded by the US, the same team that brought Biden to power.


Has nothing to do with Biden's team. Shows how little you know.

from wikipedia....

Radio Free Europe received widespread public support from Eisenhower's "Crusade for Freedom" campaign.[14] In 1950, over 16 million Americans signed Eisenhower's "Freedom Scrolls" on a publicity trip to more than 20 U.S. cities and contributed $1,317,000 to the expansion of RFE.[

and much more about how they counter Soviet/Russian propaganda and are funded primarily by the U.S. Congress

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty

This post was edited on 5/30/22 at 11:57 am
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22597 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 11:52 am to
Todays Russian society is the product of decades of purging/murdering your intellectual class… all that’s left are a sacks of potatoes.
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