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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:12 pm to
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:12 pm to
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Why do we have to support any regime with $40bill? The USSR at the height of its powers never conquered the West.


I’m sure the USSR tried, they just failed. I’m not giddy about sending $40 Billion to any country, but $40Billion to stop a threat that that should have been dealt with 70+ years ago is probably better than the billions this country spent in the Middle East over the last 20 years.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:16 pm to
To all the Real Americans this Memorial Day week-end, America the Beautiful by Ray Charles; dedicated to the men and women who gave their lives so that he could sing it:

America, America may God thy gold refine
'Til all success be nobleness
And every gain divined

And you know when I was in school
We used to sing it something like this, listen here

Oh beautiful, for spacious skies
For amber waves of grain
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain

But now wait a minute, I'm talking about
America, sweet America
You know, God done shed his grace on thee
He crowned thy good, yes he did, in brotherhood
From sea to shining sea

You know, I wish I had somebody to help me sing this
(America, America, God shed his grace on thee)
America, I love you America, you see
My God he done shed his grace on thee
And you oughta love him for it
'Cause he, he, he, he crowned thy good
He told me he would, with brotherhood
(From sea to shining Sea)
Oh Lord, oh Lord, I thank you Lord
(Shining sea)

AMERICA the Beautiful


Posted by Palmetto98
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Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:55 pm to
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I’m sure the USSR tried, they just failed. I’m not giddy about sending $40 Billion to any country, but $40Billion to stop a threat that that should have been dealt with 70+ years ago is probably better than the billions this country spent in the Middle East over the last 20 years.


When was this attempt!!?
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8190 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:55 pm to
https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3
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Severodonetsk Map:
Russians have captured some areas of the north east of the city notably the "Mir Hotel" and the bus station. Russians have also captured part of the eastern outskirts of the city. The fate of Met'olkine is unknown.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8190 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:57 pm to
If the Russians take control of Bakhmut, the Ukrainian supply lines will be compromised

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1531048591011237888
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Near Bakhmut Ukrainian soldiers stand their ground against heavy mortars and artillery shelling, even the Russians use helicopters ever so often. However they need heavy artillery to counter battery fire.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8190 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:58 pm to
https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1531023378982764544
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Lyman Map:
Russian forces have fully captured Lyman and are pushing south towards the town of Railhorodok. There is significant fighting in the wooded area on the east side of the SD river. Russian forces are pushing into the forest south of Lyman heavy fighting ensues in the area, as Ukrainian forces delay their advance.

This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 6:59 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8190 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:01 pm to
I thought this was interesting. https://twitter.com/HN_Schlottman/status/1530694920796782592
quote:

1/ Update for 27 May done on LINK
Data: LINK
???? likely continued to redeploy forces towards the Popasna area and secured Lyman over the past week. Heatmap because officers like heatmaps.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8190 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:03 pm to
Strange drone sighting

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1530993097978654724
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#Ukraine: We obtained a image of a mysterious VTOL UAV, said to be used by the Ukrainian army. Whilst the precise ID is a mystery, it has features that are very similar to the extremely rare PHOLOS loitering munition developed by Overwatch Aerospace ???? & Ascent Aerosystems ????.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8190 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:06 pm to
Drones are going to change the battlefield in ways we can't even imagine yet. They are already having a major impact on the war of Russian aggression.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1531048685618053120
quote:

Russian Orlan-10 UAV footage of a Krasnopol artillery strike on Ukrainian troops in the Lyman area.


Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
8696 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:07 pm to
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When was this attempt!!?


The Cold War? Do you really believe those communist bastards didn’t try to destroy the American way of life during that time? Extremist in the Middle East are one thing, Russia is something completely different.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8190 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:12 pm to
News on the Ukrainian Kherson offensive from ISW. This sounds like it isn't going to be a major effort. That is surprising to me if that is true, is it a sign of Ukrainian weakness? What good comes from wasting precious combat power on a temporary gain?

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-29
quote:

New reports confirmed that Ukrainian forces conducted a successful limited counterattack near the Kherson-Mykolaiv oblast border on May 28, forcing Russian forces onto the defensive. This Ukrainian counterattack is likely intended to disrupt Russian efforts to establish strong defensive positions along the Southern Axis. While the Ukrainian counterattack does not appear likely to retake substantial territory in the near term, it will likely disrupt Russian operations and potentially force Russia to deploy reinforcements to the Kherson region, which is predominantly held by sub-standard units. Ukrainian counterattacks may additionally slow Russian efforts to consolidate administrative control of occupied southern Ukraine.[1]

Posted by LSU_historian
Member since Apr 2022
80 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:22 pm to
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This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 7:32 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105536 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:43 pm to
Phillips O'Brien has some good info today LINK
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 7:46 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:53 pm to
Some have made the argument that this is a war between good and evil.

As that quote illustrates, the ruling class in Ukraine, the oligarchs, these are people who have no compunction about looting their own country. And it’s why Ukraine remains so poor and underdeveloped.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:57 pm to
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This sounds like it isn't going to be a major effort. That is surprising to me if that is true, is it a sign of Ukrainian weakness? What good comes from wasting precious combat power on a temporary gain?


Good press. Bolster the publics morale.

The Russians claim 200 KIA, I don’t know if that’s true, but if it is, the operation was a waste of human lives.

LINK

This video is apparently of a Ukrainian soldier who retreated from Severodonetsk.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105536 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:15 pm to
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Conversation

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General Staff of the Armed Forces

@GeneralStaffUA

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Ukraine government organization

Kherson hold on, we're close! https: // bit.ly/3NJPo4q


Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38249 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:15 pm to
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As that quote illustrates, the ruling class in Ukraine, the oligarchs, these are people who have no compunction about looting their own country. And it’s why Ukraine remains so poor and underdeveloped.


The Ukrainian ruling class or the Russian/Soviet occupation from virtually all the 20th century, including a genocide, and continual meddling in Ukrainian internal affairs for the last 30years. One of the two has probably contributed to Ukrainians stunted development. Seriously, how do you type any of this horse shite with a straight face?
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 8:18 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45767 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:27 pm to
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The yearly budget spent on US military ranges from 600-800 billion dollars yearly. 40 billion dollars to help weaken Russia seems like a drop in the bucket if it succeeds and ZERO US soldiers are harmed.


Exactly. $40,000,000,000.00 is a lot of money, but it’s only 5% of the annual US defense budget.

Not to mention that we signed a treaty pledging our assistance in defending Ukraine. We (the USA) complain and put tariffs on countries who don’t honor the deals they strike with us. If we didn’t support Ukraine in their war against Russia, how can we ever complain about China or any other country not honoring any type of deal we make with them?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45767 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:34 pm to
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The Russian armed forces will learn a lot from the war. They’ll have a new generation of leaders with combat experience.


Wrong again comrade. Ukrainians have a list of the Russian officers and they have a list of their cell phones numbers. because Russia relies on Ukraine’s cell network. They are systematically tracking them down, killing the Russian officers. Russia’s unwillingness to learn to use end to end encryption apps and use burner phones is decimating their officers. That means Russia will have very few officers left to study, analyze, and learn the lessons of this war when it’s over.

Also with NATO having military advisors and training Ukraine’s troops and unlimited and unfiltered access to the intel and data from the war, we can learn just as much from the conflict as the Ukrainians or Russians without losing American soldiers. Hopefully NATO has learned to make sure it’s officers and soldiers leave their cell phones back at base.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 10:17 pm
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:34 pm to
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landlocked backwater post war Eastern European country

Jesus Christ.
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