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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/25/22 at 6:52 pm to
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 6:52 pm to
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Which would trigger Article 5.


Not if it happens in Taiwan. That said, our allies would most likely still our backs.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 6:54 pm to
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You're nuts if you think that will happen. I think the most we'll do is maybe enforce a no-fly zone over the major cities and non-seperatist areas.


Yeah, like 78% of the country is against going to war with Russia over Ukraine. It’s not going to happen unless they get ballsy and invade a NATO country.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 6:55 pm to
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The Chinese hate Japan and would love to turn that nation into glass if they could get away with it, but you’re wrong. The prize they’re after is Taiwan. I had Chinese friends that fricking hated the CCP, and even they were adamant that Taiwan was a province and not a country. They don’t want to destroy Taiwan, they think they just rightfully own it.


People think this is complex. It’s really really simple. We manufacture our own semiconductors and chips and Taiwan becomes irrelevant. And yes I know it takes years to establish a plant, that’s not an excuse for not starting now.

Why get so bent out of shape over an island. Yea I want to see democracies succeed but we aren’t in a position to save those people, sorry.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 6:56 pm to
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I have a funny story about getting shite-faced in Hong Kong and standing-up in a speed boat to Macau and singing the national anthem while passing a U.S. Naval vessel in the Taiwan Strait.


Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 6:57 pm to
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People think this is complex. It’s really really simple. We manufacture our own semiconductors and chips and Taiwan becomes irrelevant. And yes I know it takes years to establish a plant, that’s not an excuse for not starting now.

Why get so bent out of shape over an island. Yea I want to see democracies succeed but we aren’t in a position to save those people, sorry.


Taiwan is in the middle of the world’s busiest trade route. If they take Taiwan they’ll next take the Philippines. There is a domino effect starting with Taiwan that China will use to dominate the world largely through trade and our hearts and minds. Taiwan is still important outside of its chips.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 6:58 pm to
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Yeah, like 78% of the country is against going to war with Russia over Ukraine


This is why the propaganda is so heavy. The State Department knows that most Americans are gullible sheep who will follow the herd.

If enough people virtue signal on social media about standing with Ukraine, then they will be able to flip that 78% figure into a majority or at least a plurality.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 6:59 pm to
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Which would trigger Article 5. Saying just because it's not in Europe so it's not under Article 5 is like saying because it's in Eastern Europe it doesn't matter to the US. Or is it limited only to Europe?



Everything the State Department is doing right now is trying to get Article 5 triggered.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:01 pm to
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Taiwan is in the middle of the world’s busiest trade route. If they take Taiwan they’ll next take the Philippines. There is a domino effect starting with Taiwan that China will use to dominate the world largely through trade and our hearts and minds. Taiwan is still important outside of its chips.


The CURRENT trade route. There is no reason it has to be the major trade route going forward.

IMO we need to be heavily incentivizing manufacturing to move to Mexico and South America. The trade routes are shorter. There is still cheap labor. And finally if you make those nations prosperous it solves our southern border problem. We don’t have a problem with illegal immigration from Canada because the standards of living are mostly comparable.

I know you are going to say that’s an impossible task, but I would argue long term peace with China is an impossible task.

We are just too comfortable to stomach the pain that will happen from decoupling from China. We will keep trucking along until they eventually overtake us and it’s too late.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 7:04 pm
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:01 pm to
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You're nuts if you think that will happen. I think the most we'll do is maybe enforce a no-fly zone over the major cities and non-seperatist areas.



We are not going to risk air to air combat with Russian fighters over a hot zone and lead to WWIII.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:03 pm to
Kinzinger proposed it, which tells you what you need to know

Amazing how deep those neocon roots go
Posted by Old Money
LSU
Member since Sep 2012
41766 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:05 pm to
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Here’s a link to Svoboda, a party that literally uses the infamous Wolfsangel symbol and

The famous Azov Battalion that was being praised by us until it became a risk to do so after Russia invaded.


LMAO bro you are 5 iq if you think Avoz = Ukraine is a nazi state. Svoboda has 0 influence in Ukraine.

Azov is pretty based though, not gonna lie. They’re good at killing Russians
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 7:06 pm
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:06 pm to
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Kinzinger proposed it, which tells you what you need to know



That clown along with Kristi Noem are on Twitter right now demanding war.

Sorry, I'm old enough to remember the last time we were told by CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, White House, IC, Democrats, Republicans, Hollywood and every pundit that we had a "Responsibility to Protect."
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:08 pm to
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The CURRENT trade route. There is no reason it has to be the major trade route going forward.




And where do you propose they go? There’s Taiwan right there, and as I said the Philippines would be next. After that they’d start threatening the northern coast of Australia. So go all the way down to Southern Australia?



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IMO we need to be heavily incentivizing manufacturing to move to Mexico and South America. The trade routes are shorter. There is still cheap labor. And finally if you make those nations prosperous it solves our southern border problem


Actually we have a similar idea here. I’ve proposed we expand the Monroe Doctrine and force all American owned companies to make their products in the Western Hemisphere (give them an 8 year window to do so). That would save a lot of our woes.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 7:16 pm
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:08 pm to
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The CURRENT trade route. There is no reason it has to be the major trade route going forward.

IMO we need to be heavily incentivizing manufacturing to move to Mexico and South America. The trade routes are shorter. There is still cheap labor. And finally if you make those nations prosperous it solves our southern border problem. We don’t have a problem with illegal immigration from Canada because the standards of living are mostly comparable.

I know you are going to say that’s an impossible task, but I would argue long term peace with China is an impossible task.

We are just too comfortable to stomach the pain that will happen from decoupling from China. We will keep trucking along until they eventually overtake us and it’s too late.


Lot of merit to this, but our govt is largely in China’s pocket. We should bring back high tech manufacturing like semiconductors, bring pharmaceuticals back. Help Mexico and Central America with the rest. We’d make a lot of headway domestically if we’d de-unionize.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:11 pm to
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Kinzinger proposed it, which tells you what you need to know

Amazing how deep those neocon roots go


Yeah, frick these warmongers. Almost no matter what goes down, we can not start WWIII over Ukraine.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:14 pm to
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Yeah, frick these warmongers. Almost no matter what goes down, we can not start WWIII over Ukraine.



It's going to happen, man

Everything makes sense when you view everything happening through the lens of the US trying to trigger Article 5.
Posted by BananaManCan
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:14 pm to
How is the thread not stickied yet?! Wtf is going on
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
32165 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:17 pm to
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Sorry, I'm old enough to remember the last time we were told by CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, White House, IC, Democrats, Republicans, Hollywood and every pundit that we had a "Responsibility to Protect."


Yep, I fell for that shite too. Screw George Bush. Both of them.
Posted by goldennugget
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Member since Jul 2013
26376 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:17 pm to
Robert Barnes gets it:


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Robert Barnes
@barnes_law

I would rather not be on the side of George Soros, Hillary Clinton & Mitt Romney on any foreign policy.
2:00 PM · Feb 25, 2022·Twitter for Android
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:18 pm to
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How is the thread not stickied yet?! Wtf is going on


It's staying towards the top of the first page pretty good without a sticky.

The thing I find weird is that the subject line hasn't been updated since "Putin announces military operations in Ukraine"
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