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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:11 am to
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:11 am to
M777 update

According to NYTimes link below only about a dozen are in use at this time.

But the American M777, known as the triple seven, is likely to have the greatest effect for the quantity of guns provided, providing accurate, long-range fire when sufficient crews are trained to use them, military analysts say.

The bottleneck is training. The United States has so far trained about 200 Ukrainian soldiers in six-day courses at bases in Germany. The Ukrainian military divided this group roughly in half, sending some to the front and others to train more Ukrainians. Training soldiers for all 90 guns — the amount that are scheduled to arrive — could take another several weeks.

Originally published by NYTimes


Yahoo News
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:48 am to
The prevailing wind blows to Russia or Belorussia if in the West. If Putin approves even tactical nukes, fallout will be over Russian soil
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16224 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:49 am to
Where do you think the technology for those Turkish drones comes from? It was licensed to Turkey in 2008 by Israel
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16224 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:55 am to
The former Warsaw Pact nations have been trying to sell their Soviet Era weapons to 3rd world and replenish with more modern but no takers. This is especially true with Poland which now has ordered M1A Abrams to replace those donated T-72's. The donation of its old BMP's is after making its own personnel carriers.

Then again, Russia is calling up its T-62's which its reservists use for training.
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:59 am to
Not all nukes carry the fallout risk. Just depends on the device.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 9:15 am to
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I just finished speaking to one of my sauce(s) in Ukraine. Per my sauce(s) in Ukraine. It’s been a hell of a fight in Lyman. Russia is slowly taking the town by resorting to the old Soviet tactic of launching human wave attacks just to gain a block or two of real estate. My sauce(s) estimated that Russia has suffered around 5,000 KIA in the Battle of Lyman this week. Ukraine has suffered roughly 1500 KIA this week. My sauce(s) were not sure of the loses in the Popasna breakout, said they were much less than Lyman. According to my sauce(s) Lyman is already very bloody and it’s going to get worse. Perhaps bloodier than Mariupol or Holostomel airport.

However, it’s nothings like what they Ukrainians have prepared for the Russians in Severodonetsk. My sauce(s) in Ukraine straight up said that they didn’t really care if lose the city. Their goal is to hold Russia up for two weeks and inflict a minimum of 15,000 Russians KIA. If they can do that then they believe they will have exhausted the Russian combat reserves.

Meanwhile the Ukrainians are resting, regrouping, rearming, and reorganizing for a big counterattack in a direction that nobody here has talked about. Obviously, my sauce(s) didn’t tell me what it was, but I jokingly asked if Ukraine was going send a few hundred thousand troops into Russia. My sauce(s) laughed and said no. However the Ukrainians do have a plan to invade Russia and take Belgorod. The plan is still on the table, but they learned from Russia’s mistake. If the Ukrainians invade Russia the plan calls for at least 500,000 troops .




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However the Ukrainians do have a plan to invade Russia and take Belgorod. The plan is still on the table, but they learned from Russia’s mistake. If the Ukrainians invade Russia the plan calls for at least 500,000 troops .


I hope they fricking do it
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 9:17 am to
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Think they have some dealings with the Russians in Syria so they don't want to upset either the US or Russia


Fair enough I guess, but the Israelis would BTFO the Russians based on what we’ve seen.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 9:19 am to
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Not all nukes carry the fallout risk. Just depends on the device.


Why are you guys discussing nukes?
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 9:31 am to
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“I’m surprised people believe Ukrainian forces can absorb this level of losses and then be ready to go on the offensive right afterward,” said Kofman, the analyst.


This is an interesting quote from the article. I too wonder about Ukraine’s ability to take heavy blows all though the summer and come out swinging in August.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45779 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 9:51 am to
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Just curious, were you in contact your sauce(s) prior to the invasion when Ukraine was saying Russia wouldn't invade while the US was saying they would? I just thought it was interesting that Ukraine intel apparently missed that (at least publicly).


Per my sauce(s), the intelligence people in Ukraine thought it was possible but they were not certain. The political leadership told them to down play the threat of invasion to keep the people from panicking. However, at the same time they started a limited mobilization of reserves and started training civilians to form the Ukrainian Territorial Defense Force. So I would say that it was more of the political leadership downplaying the risk than the intelligence people missing it.

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Hoping their performance has improved since then... esp since alot of what they say is repeated in the West as truth


All these generals are not just accidentally being killed. The Ukrainian spetsnaz have a kill list provided by Ukrainian intelligence and they are killing multiple generals per week. So I would say that their performance has improved or atleast the political leaders have allowed the gloves to be taken off.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 9:53 am to
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atleast the political leaders have allowed the gloves to be taken off.


The gloves were on?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45779 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 9:57 am to
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This is an interesting quote from the article. I too wonder about Ukraine’s ability to take heavy blows all though the summer and come out swinging in August.


Ukraine will have finished training the reserves it has already called up by mid July. That will increase their forces by 500,000. Per my sauce(s), Ukraine is preparing for another round of mobilization for an additional 500,000 to 1,000,000 troops to start training in June. Their goal is to have 1,000,000 to 1,500,000 troops ready for combat when the fall Rasputitsa (mud season) ends.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45779 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:00 am to
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The gloves were on?


The gloves were on until Putin recognized the LPR and DPR. Russia’s top military leaders visited the separatist regions in late January and Ukrainian intelligence had their itinerary. Zelenski would not approve a Spetznaz mission to kill them at that time.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 10:11 am
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45779 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:10 am to
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quote: The plan is still on the table, but they learned from Russia’s mistake. If the Ukrainians invade Russia the plan calls for at least 500,000 troops. As someone strongly rooting for Ukraine, doing this would be a disaster for Ukraine on so many different fronts.


I agree and so did my sauce(s). However, they do have plan(s) to invade Russia if needed.

I am just speculating here and have no
inside knowledge to confirm or deny it, but I am willing to bet Ukraine launches a major offensive out of Dnipro to capture Melitopol. Per militaryland.net the Russians only have two divisions in that entire oblast and Melitopol is the key to the entire land bridge to Crimea.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45779 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:17 am to
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Russian forces are continuing to conduct aerial reconnaissance to identify Ukrainian positions and countermeasures along the coastline of the Odesa and Mykolaiv regions. originally published by Ukrayinska Pravda


It’s a terrible time of year to try and invade the Mykolaiv or Odessa oblasts. That area of the country is very similar to south Louisiana and south Texas. The area is very marshy and it would suck armor up like the fields around Kyiv and Kharkiv did. The best time to attack Odessa is in the late summer or fall since that part of the country doesn’t experience much of a fall Rasputitsa.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45779 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:22 am to
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Fair enough I guess, but the Israelis would BTFO the Russians based on what we’ve seen.


It’s all due to internal politics. Bennet’s coalition lost its majority last week and if it looses any more MPs it could trigger snap elections. The Israeli arab MPs are part of the coalition and are friendly to Russia.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:32 am to
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I spent two years working with the IDF, to include spending over a month's time in total in Israel. They don't need us


I wish that went into their FP, where their whole ME project literally requires US troops in order to succeed. The IDF is built for defensive campaigns. But Likud and others on the Israeli right want something which they aren't willing to risk Israeli lives for, which are several buffer states in order to retain strategic depth. They have hemmed themselves in to idiotic foreign policy maneuvers, much like the KSA has.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13094 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:44 am to
It is accurate that Turkey acquired drone technology from Israel back in about 2010, but this was for the Heron systems.
The Bayraktar drone that has been so successful was engineered in large part by a young MIT graduate who is a native of Turkey and is Erdogon's son in law. He also triangulated around US technology export laws to pack the drone with deadly features. If i have misunderstood this sourcing of the drone technology, i ask that soneone more knowledgeable correct me.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5996 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:02 am to
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The best time to attack Odessa is in the late summer or fall


If the Ukrainians don’t have the weapons to make such an attack be a suicide mission for any Russians ships and aircraft that approach the entire western world should hang its head in shame.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45779 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:42 am to
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If the Ukrainians don’t have the weapons to make such an attack be a suicide mission for any Russians ships and aircraft that approach the entire western world should hang its head in shame.


I was referring to trying to attack Odessa by land.
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