re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Russia had been doing business with NATO members for years now to their benefit. What about NATO threatens them?

What threatens them is that many of the old Soviet States are moving away from Russian control and towards the West. They long for the days of old where they could dictate policy to these countries.

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Never before in American History have we sent loads of American dollars to a foreign country to fight off another country. I hope it turns out well.

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I guess you weren’t paying attention while the entire 20th century was discussed in history class.

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Apparently they’ve got a military capable of embarrassing the supposed second global power and inflict damages not seen in 77 years. You know and I know that China is #2

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Russia was considered to be the second strongest military in the world before 2/23/22 because most of China’s stuff is bought and/or reverse engineers from Russia. Now I would agree that China is a clearly the second strongest military in the world, and Russia’s military is just #2 (aka shite).

Of course after what we have seen US and NATO tech and more importantly the western method of training and organizing a military do to the a force equipped with tech and training and organization that both Russia and China use it’s clear that whomever is second place is a long way from being from being as good as the USA, NATO, and our pacific allies.

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Russia was considered to be the second strongest military in the world before 2/23/22 because most of China’s stuff is bought and/or reverse engineers from Russia. Now I would agree that China is a clearly the second strongest military in the world, and Russia’s military is just #2 (aka shite).

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They have clearly won in the areas they have focused on. Believe whatever Cnn cope narrative you want, but the number of Russian forces alone indicated that they had no clear intention of capturing Kiev. If you want to call it a loss to help yourself sleep at night then so be it, but reality will always win at the end of the day.

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Stidham8

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You're telling me you don't know how to read a military map w/o actually telling me that you don't know how to read a military map.

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They have clearly won in the areas they have focused on. Believe whatever Cnn cope narrative you want, but the number of Russian forces alone indicated that they had no clear intention of capturing Kiev. If you want to call it a loss to help yourself sleep at night then so be it, but reality will always win at the end of the day.

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So Putin and his generals wasted the lives of thousands of good Russian boys as a feint? Or what was it? A screw up? A mistake? A news fiction?

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So Putin and his generals wasted the lives of thousands of good Russian boys as a feint? Or what was it? A screw up? A mistake? A news fiction?

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It’s called the classic basic bait and switch, the mongols used it and even Russians basically inherited it from their Mongolian overlords back in the day. According to standard military doctrine, Russia did not send nearly the amount of soldiers and equipment to capture Kiev. We can conclude that either A). This was an intimidation tactic, B). This was to hold up Ukrainian forces in this area, or C). Both

One gets the feeling that Macaroni, Sleepy Joe and Germany hoped the Russians would overrun the Ukes quickly so they wouldn't have to do anything!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It’s called the classic basic bait and switch, the mongols used it and even Russians basically inherited it from their Mongolian overlords back in the day. According to standard military doctrine, Russia did not send nearly the amount of soldiers and equipment to capture Kiev. We can conclude that either A). This was an intimidation tactic, B). This was to hold up Ukrainian forces in this area, or C). Both

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Just want to get you on the record. It was a ruse, and it worked perfectly. Or so you say.

In WW2 we used that strategy. We pretended to be invading Greece when our real target was Sicily. Then we used it again successfully by pretending to invade France at Calais when in reality we were going in at Normandy.

The only difference is we didn’t waste the lives of thousands of good men like the Russians did. I guess that’s the cultural difference you mentioned.

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I understand interoperability and familiarity and "stability" but that's not what NATO was intended for.

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Of course it's not what NATO was initially founded for. But the geopolitical landscape has changed, and the above is what NATO is intended for today.

If you have Montenegro and North Macedonia focused on working together, there's less of a chance of them working against each other. And that promotes regional stability which benefits everyone.