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re: LA House Speaker Phillip DeVillier defends state’s push for data centers
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:06 pm to TDsngumbo
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:06 pm to TDsngumbo
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Can someone please tell me what the argument against these are? Seems like they're a net positive for the areas they're built in, but as I said I have no idea.
Its mostly because people hate AI and its advancement. And none of it feels organic.
People have concerns of noise, environmental impact, and energy usage.
You will be told its all Chinse propaganda though.
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Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:07 pm to Salmon
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You will be told its all Chinse propaganda though.
like clockwork
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There’s been a ton of communist Chinese propaganda pushed out to scare people into opposing data centers. The Chinese don’t want the US to compete with them in the AI arms race.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:07 pm to SuperSaint
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Im having a hard time grasping why NDAs are all the sudden controversial? Every big company with proprietary info being shared in conversations ask for an NDA.
A private business, even one with shareholders, is free to make its own rules and abide by them.
The government is supposed to be "owned" by the public and part of that deal is transparency. There is absolutely no reason an elected official should be engaged in an NDA outside of national security.
If nothing else, this opens the door for a path for politicians to legally hide wrongdoings from that transparency.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:14 pm to BurningHeart
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I get actual advertisements from Meta on my Facebook feed saying how beneficial the Meta data centers are for Louisiana.
I get this ad about how a tour bus operator in Richland parish had to add 2 new buses to keep up with all the new tourism from the data center
Posted on 8/3/26 at 2:07 pm to SuperSaint
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Im having a hard time grasping why NDAs are all the sudden controversial? Every big company with proprietary info being shared in conversations ask for an NDA.
Are those big time company NDA’s with politicians responsible for sweetheart deals the companies get?
Posted on 8/3/26 at 2:12 pm to nicholastiger
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citizens aren't necessarily against data centers they are against a corrupt and greedy Entergy that the PSC and state let do whatever they want on the backs of paying customers
This.
Show me a data center that pulls water from the Mississippi or Atchafalaya River and one that produces its own electricity, and I’ll show you one I support.
It’s the ones that use well water and connect to the existing power generating assets I dislike.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 2:14 pm to TDsngumbo
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Can someone please tell me what the argument against these are? Seems like they're a net positive for the areas they're built in, but as I said I have no idea.
Increased water demand, especially initially
Increased electricity prices due to the demand
Noise from cooling systems
EM waves causing chronic injuries and illness (according to the San Francisco 49’ers)
Politicians getting stupid rich by selling family land or signing sweetheart deals that can’t be examined due to NDA’s
Posted on 8/3/26 at 2:33 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:Have you really looked into the water usage?
It’s the ones that use well water
Posted on 8/3/26 at 2:38 pm to BurningHeart
Aren't the local public school teachers getting big raises because of that project?
Posted on 8/3/26 at 2:42 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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one that produces its own electricity,
You do not want this.
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connect to the existing power generating assets I dislike.
They cannot connect to existing assets. New ones have to be built. These hyperscalers cannot be supported by what is existing. It is impossible. What you want is investment into the infrastructure in the form of contribution in aid of construction. This means that these huge companies, Meta, Amazon, Google, SpaceX...are investing their money into Louisiana's energy infrastructure, transmission and generation. That brings price stability into the energy and capacity market. What you also want is a more diversified generation portfolio, natural gas, coal, solar, battery storage, and yes, nuclear. That way the huge amounts of generation needed are not beholden to one form of fuel.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 2:44 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Increased electricity prices due to the demand
If generation and transmission assets are built to handle the requirements, this actually brings price stability to the area. That demand isn't so high if Louisiana has the generation capacity available. Do not look at Virginia and PJM as models. They were first to the data center race and their customers are suffering for it. Louisiana has a chance to do it right, better.
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 8/3/26 at 3:05 pm to AlxTgr
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Have you really looked into the water usage?
Yes. If the system is an evaporative cooling system, that will be hundreds or thousands of gpm taken from the water source. If it’s from rivers in LA, I don’t care. If it’s from ground water, I care greatly.
If it’s a direct contact cooling system that uses glycol and chillers, the initial fills will require millions of gallons of water for hydro testing and passivations.
Again, if the water comes from surface water sources, have at it.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 3:06 pm to SaintEB
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New ones have to be built. These hyperscalers cannot be supported by what is existing. It is impossible
Then let them pay for it. Do not pass this onto the existing residents
Posted on 8/3/26 at 3:10 pm to Oilfieldbiology
The public school teachers in the area getitng huge bonuses probably for next 6-7 years because of the increased Sales taxes. that site in Richland Paris I’ve been on the market for 20 years with no takers. I don’t know why anybody would be mad about putting a huge data center there
Posted on 8/3/26 at 3:11 pm to ragincajun03
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“We want them to be built in other states… or do you want them here in Louisiana?”
Other states. Where the building is physically located only means who gets the downsides. The upsides trickle upstream to California/New York millionaires.
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create jobs
What jobs? A few security guards/janitors/maintenance folks making barely above minimum wage? 2-3 laborers to physically rack and connect stuff? The real work is done out of state, possible out of country, and the real money is made by the owners who don't even live here.
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increased tax revenue from a data center helped provide additional funding for local teachers
Teachers were given a one-time bonus from a 1% tax on the construction. Once construction is over, that ship will have sailed. Also, only 1%? You bent over and let Mark Zuckerburg frick you in the arse, fricking your constituents in the process, for a 1% construction sales tax? Interesting. What did YOU personally get out of the deal?
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It’s not like we’re trying to do something secretive
That's exactly what NDAs are for. They're not for anything BUT secrecy.
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It’s just about being able to have a conversation, and actually be able to compete to attract companies
It's about keeping the details secret so your constituents don't burn your house down. You're a public official. Your business is public by nature.
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DeVillier said state leaders are closely monitoring those concerns and noted that the companies are responsible for paying for infrastructure needed to support their projects.
Let's come back to this in 5 years.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 3:14 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Then let them pay for it. Do not pass this onto the existing residents
I get what you are saying, I do. But no company in its right mind will contribute somewhere to the tune of 3 billion dollars to generation plants and still have to pay a power bill. I just don't see it happening. Not to mention, if they are not using all of it, the generation company can sell the capacity on the market and make money. This is just not how business works. Now, there can be a middle ground where they pay some contribution and they get a good rate that helps them long term. Thus, the 20 year contracts. There is a way to do this and keep native load ratepayers safe. Like you, I do not trust IOUs and independent power providers to not look out for the investors.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 3:15 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Which one of these is the closed loop system described for the Boyce center?
Posted on 8/3/26 at 3:16 pm to slidingstop
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don't think anyone is trying to sabotage the states efforts to attract business
If you don’t think there aren’t people in this state ready to get any random assortment of people riled up in order to leverage getting bought off you are insane
There are absolutely people ready to sabotage this state if they don’t get their cut
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 8/3/26 at 3:20 pm to ragincajun03
Because these centers are not job dense, local governments have way more leverage to tax the shite out of them unlike manufacturing and the huge ITEP breaks.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 3:21 pm to HeckIt
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What jobs? A few security guards/janitors/maintenance folks making barely above minimum wage? 2-3 laborers to physically rack and connect stuff?
LINK
1,000 permanent jobs.
Richland parish has a working population of 8000.
It is projected to employ more than 10% of the entire parish.
Yet you want to say piss off.
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