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re: La Guardia airport closed after plane collides with fire truck on runway

Posted on 3/23/26 at 5:31 pm to
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78424 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 5:31 pm to
So circling all the way back to this statement that I asked was there evidence on:

quote:

Theres was lots of evidence her status as a woman was a pivotal part of her getting consistent passes despite being out of standard.


There was actually no evidence. But you could infere that outcome if you ignore other parts of the data.

As in she was a qualified pilot after previously not being qualified.
Posted by HeyCap
Member since Nov 2014
1095 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 5:37 pm to
quote:

Dude frick your girl? He mostly just walks through the audio traffic. It can be a but long but it's certainly not disinformation.

You must have been one of Margaret Orr's biggest fans then!!
With regards to accidents, he's always trying to be the first to comment as a "professional" and because of that often jumps to wrong conclusions. He is not well respected amongst his own peers, including myself. If you want a reputable channel that's highly regarded among other pilots I suggest following Hoover on Pilot Debrief.
This post was edited on 3/23/26 at 7:48 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24213 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 5:41 pm to
quote:

It is standard practice for vehicles/aircraft to question an ATC crossing instruction if the lights are red. Didn't happen here.


Very Interesting
Posted by m57
Flyover Country
Member since May 2017
2595 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 5:43 pm to
Also it’s possible that the CRJ was on the local control frequency and the ARFF truck was on ground frequency. The controller was transmitting on both but the jet and vehicle might not have heard each other.
Posted by bikerack
NH
Member since Sep 2011
2551 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 5:49 pm to
NTSB briefing right now....not much info but she did say that members of the investigation team haven't arrived yet because they've been waiting in TSA lines for hours.
Posted by forkedintheroad
Member since Feb 2025
2316 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 5:53 pm to
quote:

It is standard practice for vehicles/aircraft to question an ATC crossing instruction if the lights are red. Didn't happen here


Are those lights always visible? Do vehicles on the ground have the equivalent of IFR in low visibility conditions? And is that IFR basically do what the controllers say because they have the instrument view of the area (radar, transponders)?
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10610 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 5:59 pm to
Was the truck attempting to use the runway to cross up over to F instead of going straight across on D?
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
10067 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 6:00 pm to
quote:

Whenever ground vehicles need to enter any type of taxi/runway they need to get clearance from either ATC or ground control (depends on airport). Also depending on airport there may be even stricter rules for crossing during poor visibility.


Did you completely miss this part of what I said?

While I will admit I never worked at LGA what I posted is true. Again.....ATC gave the fire truck the green light. Nothing else will matter.
Posted by Stat M Repairman
Member since Jun 2023
2825 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 6:00 pm to
Wonder if the United captain feels guilty about ordering a fire truck out of an abundance of caution?
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
10067 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 6:02 pm to
quote:

suggest following Hoover on Pilot Debrief.


But that dude doesn't wear his old airline uniform and sit in front of a bad green screen.
Posted by bikerack
NH
Member since Sep 2011
2551 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 6:10 pm to
quote:

Was the truck attempting to use the runway to cross up over to F instead of going straight across on D?



It definitely looks like the firetruck was turning to go down the runway.

The driver could have seen the plane at the last minute and was doing his best to avoid. D is also not perpendicular to the runway so maybe the angle of the video makes it look like he overturned.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78424 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 6:11 pm to
[quote]Was the truck attempting to use the runway to cross up over to F instead of going straight across on D?[/quote
I wonder how lost in the moment you can get that the truck might have thought he was headed up a taxiway and not entering the runway.

Not sure that jives with ATC calls though.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27792 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 6:15 pm to
quote:

ATC gave the fire truck the green light. Nothing else will matter.


Yeah that controller is fricked. I’d have resigned immediately after being relieved by the next controller. See if baggage handling is hiring. I’d never be able to do it again.

That plane had to be complete chaos after. Not only did they crash. But the two pilots are dead and a flight attendant is gone. Small regional jet, how many people are left onboard to give instruction. Not to mention one of their main emergency vehicles is obliterated.
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
10067 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 6:23 pm to
quote:

See if baggage handling is hiring.


He would have to take his SIDA training and part of that test is knowing the do's and don'ts when crossing taxi/runways lol.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27792 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 6:32 pm to
quote:

would have to take his SIDA training and part of that test is knowing the do's and don'ts when crossing taxi/runways lol.


Yeah. Didn’t think it through. I’d probably be depressed enough to jump into an engine.
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
10067 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 6:34 pm to
I figured you were just making a joke but that is true about the SIDA badge testing. I feel really bad for that guy.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
92264 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 6:40 pm to
quote:

Wonder if the United captain feels guilty about ordering a fire truck out of an abundance of caution?


in most instances AARF is automatically rolled in the US, and if you use your words they have to roll
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6751 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 7:29 pm to
quote:

That plane had to be complete chaos after. Not only did they crash. But the two pilots are dead and a flight attendant is gone. Small regional jet, how many people are left onboard to give instruction.


I think it was reported 72 souls on board. Crew of 4: Capt, FO, FA1, FA2. That leaves one FA (who is sitting all the way aft in the cabin) to evacuate 68 passengers.

Oh, and two of your emergency exits are missing in the front and you’re on a 30 degree incline since the CG shifted when the cockpit was sheared off and the only exits you have are over wing.

Great job by the FA and responders who got everyone else off without more fatalities.
Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
4009 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 7:46 pm to
quote:

It is standard practice for vehicles/aircraft to question an ATC crossing instruction if the lights are red. Didn't happen here


I had bad eyes and am using an old phone and I am not sure what I am looking for but I don't see red stop bar lights in that video.

Also, what triggers the red stop bar lights to be on or off? My understanding is that they are controlled by ATC. If ATC gave the truck the go head then they would have turned off the lights right?
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
92264 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

that they are controlled by ATC.


no, independent system, can be manually controlled

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