re: La Guardia airport closed after plane collides with fire truck on runway

quote:

---

Didn't slow down because of the angle that the plane was coming.

---

I'm not suggesting they could necessarily see a plane coming in. I just mean its like they were dead set on getting to where they were going, they never took the time to pause and make sure they were doing everything possible to cross safely.

For example, does ATC even know where the truck is located in correlation to crossing? ATC told them to cross and they were basically there. What if they had been 10 seconds back? How much time between asking permission to cross and actually crossing does something like a fire truck have?

I would think the normal policy would be for them to stop at the runway, ask permission, then go. Even in a hurry, unless the runway was shutdown.

If its that big of a hurry for a fire truck to cross a runway that it doesn't have time to stop, maybe close the runway?

quote:

---

they never took the time to pause and make sure they were doing everything possible to cross safely.

---

They got permission to cross. ATC told them it was clear and then he realized that he messed up. Whenever ground vehicles need to enter any type of taxi/runway they need to get clearance from either ATC or ground control (depends on airport). Also depending on airport there may be even stricter rules for crossing during poor visibility.

The fire truck didn't do the 'stop...look left, right, left' because ATC told him that it was clear. The airplane lights at night and during a rain event aren't as easy to see as people think.

quote:

---

sure Captain Steeeeeeve

---

That guy is an idiot.

Because it was bullshite that had no basis in fact. They know they can scream DEI or CRT and you'll eat it up without question.

There was a lot of stuff that went wrong with that crash, the main overlying cause was that helicopter route shouldn't have existed. If everyone did exactly what they were supposed to in that situation, they were left with 80 ft clearance. That's insane.

quote:

---

Are you special, or do you just have no idea how aviation and ATC works?

---

Do you actually? Or do you just watch VASaviation videos all day?

quote:

---

The fire truck didn't do the 'stop...look left, right, left' because ATC told him that it was clear. The airplane lights at night and during a rain event aren't as easy to see as people think.

---

try on the flight deck of a carrier at night - even ite down chains collect their taxes

quote:

---

I honestly never followed this. Was the evidence presented in the FAA/NTSB report?

---

Here's the report: LINK

They blame a myriad of things, but it's clear she shouldn't have been flying.

Here's an excerpt:

quote:

---

A standardization instructor pilot who provided training to the accident pilot when she arrived at the 12th Aviation Battalion stated that the pilot was eager to learn but struggled with “stick and rudder skills” in the UH-60L. He noted that, for pilots who initially trained on the more automated UH-60M model (such as the accident pilot), the UH-60L was “particularly taxing to fly to maintain altitude and airspeed,” while “understanding and utilizing” its manual trim system.

---

Here she is on video in her previous role as a White House aide, just one month before the crash:

Loading Twitter/X Embed...
If tweet fails to load, click here.

Not entirely true. The Runway Status Warnings Lights system was working last night at LGA. You can see them in the video of the crash. Basically runway edge lights will turn red if a runway is occupied. It is standard practice for vehicles/aircraft to question an ATC crossing instruction if the lights are red. Didn't happen here.

quote:

---

Nothing in that report speaks to her being a woman and getting preferential treatment.

Your quote shows a potential/likely lack of training and a failure by "Flight Unit Leadership"

---

Correct. We have to use our brains and understand that a report about the causes of the crash would not say "this person got preferential treatment and shouldn't have been flying," because all that is relevant is what caused the crash at that point. It does mention that she had failed flight training on this vehicle at one point.

That doesn't mean she didn't receive preferential treatment or that she should have been flying. It is obvious she did and shouldn't have been.