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re: Killer cop in "swatting" incident will not be charged
Posted on 4/14/18 at 12:07 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 4/14/18 at 12:07 am to Topwater Trout
quote:Of course he “thought” that because this case is a prime example that no matter how illogical, unreasonable, and even untrue that thought would, as long as you say you thought that then you’re justified in your actions.
according to the DA the officer thought he was reaching for a gun.
We can’t know what a person thought, so the standard shouldn’t be “he said he thought that,” and even if he did think that, it should be about whether that was a reasonable thought given the circumstances and was the response reasonable given those circumstances.
It’s just absolutely ridiculous that our standards of rational and appropriate behavior is so low for police officers, that even the most irrational interpretation of a situation and the most irrational use of deadly force is justified if they merely state that they had irrational thoughts, even if they’re flat out lying.
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Posted on 4/14/18 at 12:17 am to foshizzle
quote:And you’re also viewing it from the perspective of the person who said “he thought he was reaching for a gun.”
At the critical moment when he suddenly raised his hands around 0:06 - 0:07 my first reaction was that he had a gun and was pointing it at me.
Of course, there are a million reasons a person could suddenly raise his/her hands, 99.9999% of those are for something other than reaching for a gun. But somehow choosing to 1 in a million reason is acceptable just about 100% of the time.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 12:33 am to Topwater Trout
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sounds like the guy who set it all in motion will be punished...i don't see the problem
Google his name to see what he has been up to lately if you want to see something really funny
Posted on 4/14/18 at 8:36 am to Cap Crunch
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Like people who ignore the body cam videos?
I haven't watched...you would find the cop guilty of what after watching the body cam video?
Posted on 4/14/18 at 8:40 am to buckeye_vol
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We can’t know what a person thought,
nope and none of us can say what we would have done since he was under the impression the guy he shot had killed someone and had more hostages. It's easy to say the cop fricked up when the guy was innocent after the fact but IF the threat was real and the guy had killed someone and there was a hostage situation would people be crying that the cop did wrong? unless you're a total dumbass the cop would be revered a hero
Posted on 4/14/18 at 8:43 am to lsu480
Damn what a dumbass...we should get him to sign up on tiger droppings since he is an egod
Posted on 4/14/18 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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This law enforcement culture puts all of us at risk in every encounter with police
True
Posted on 4/14/18 at 8:55 am to buckeye_vol
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And you’re also viewing it from the perspective of the person who said “he thought he was reaching for a gun.”
ANY movement can be perceived as a threat in the modern cop culture. All they have to claim is "fear" and theyre good to go.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 9:01 am to Topwater Trout
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I haven't watched..
How the hell are you opining without bothering to watch the actual footage?
Posted on 4/14/18 at 9:07 am to Obtuse1
I’ve said before and will say it again
The problem with cops is the low pay, low standards and lower expectations attract a certain type of person.
Too many cops, especially younger ones these days, are roided up meatheads, who have no interest in protecting and serving and use the badge as a excuse to harass, beat and when the opportunity presents itself to kill people.
They are by and large sociopaths. And far too many citizens just accept as being OK.
The primary objective of most local police and sherif departments today is revenue generation nothing more. Who cares if people are executed in the process.
The problem with cops is the low pay, low standards and lower expectations attract a certain type of person.
Too many cops, especially younger ones these days, are roided up meatheads, who have no interest in protecting and serving and use the badge as a excuse to harass, beat and when the opportunity presents itself to kill people.
They are by and large sociopaths. And far too many citizens just accept as being OK.
The primary objective of most local police and sherif departments today is revenue generation nothing more. Who cares if people are executed in the process.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 10:48 am to memphis tiger
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He was at his own home and simply walked out the door. And was executed. For walking out of his own house. After doing nothing wrong.
What you're missing here is that the cops had been told to expect someone who had just shot people in the house and was armed. Cops get paid not very much to put their lives on the line at times like this, if the cop was a bit jumpy I don't blame him one bit. The victim here was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 10:51 am to memphis tiger
quote:
The problem with cops is the low pay, low standards and lower expectations attract a certain type of person.
Too many cops, especially younger ones these days, are roided up meatheads, who have no interest in protecting and serving and use the badge as a excuse to harass, beat and when the opportunity presents itself to kill people.
They are by and large sociopaths. And far too many citizens just accept as being OK.
The primary objective of most local police and sherif departments today is revenue generation nothing more. Who cares if people are executed in the process.
This is pretty accurate IMO. And as big of a problem that your assessment creates, there’s one that’s bigger, and it’s this. The same addicting, tooth rotting sugar tit hanging out of the police department’s mouth - the revenue stream - is shared by the very people who could stop all that (legislators and the court system). But because all parties involved are hooked on the same drug administered by the same sugar tit, nothing ever changes.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 10:58 am to foshizzle
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if the cop was a bit jumpy I don't blame him one bit.
Is this a troll? Because you're making a good point for disarming police.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 10:58 am to foshizzle
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What you're missing here is that the cops had been told to expect someone who had just shot people in the house and was armed
Did they bother to verify the 911 call before executing this guy.
Sure they put their lives in the line, but that’s no excuse for charging in guns blazing and killing a man who DOD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 10:59 am to foshizzle
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The victim here was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time
WTF?!?!?
The victim was in his own house minding his own business.
What the frick was he supposed to be doing.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 11:02 am to Topwater Trout
Ah I get it. If you don't watch the video, you can keep pretending that maybe this guy did something to deserve being murdered.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 11:03 am to Topwater Trout
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It's easy to say the cop fricked up when the guy was innocent after the fact
It's easier to be a blind sheep that thinks cops can do no wrong, ever, because their jobs are dangerous sometimes.
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but IF the threat was real and the guy had killed someone and there was a hostage situation would people be crying that the cop did wrong
Or IF the cop was just a spineless piece of shite that felt like getting a rush by shooting an innocent unarmed civilian, he knew he could do it and face no reprucussions by claiming he thought there was a threat.
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unless you're a total dumbass the cop would be revered a hero
Why is is that you and your fellow boot kickers always feel the need to propose a hypothetical "hero cop" scenario that has nothing to do with what actually happened as a defense every time a cop murders a non threatening, unarmed civilian?
Posted on 4/14/18 at 11:04 am to Cap Crunch
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Ah I get it. If you don't watch the video, you can keep pretending that maybe this guy did something to deserve being murdered.
You should not even have to watch the video.
Just knowing the story that this was an innocent man who was the victim of a stupid prank. Hell he wasn’t even the intended victim of the prank.
Just that alone is enough to know this man should not have died.
It is sad and very telling that so many in this country are perfectly ok with this.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 11:05 am to foshizzle
quote:
The victim here was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It will be a sweet day when the next victim is someone very close to you, and you're back on this board telling everyone he/she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 11:07 am to Topwater Trout
quote:
It's easy to say the cop fricked up when the guy was innocent after the fact
Shoot first and ask questions later.
What happened to due process?
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