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re: Keeven Robinson's in-custody death determined to be a homicide
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:08 pm to t00f
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:08 pm to t00f
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Ah oh!
I said this because I was concerned we would be getting the marches down here. Not because the coroners office and JPSO did the right thing, they did, but just that seems to be the next thing that happens.
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:15 pm to jbgleason
Yeah, I read up on it. Not sure how many people would just sit still while they are suffocating, but I know I wouldn't. It's probably an involuntary reaction to flail around
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:21 pm to lowhound
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You keep struggling and resisting arrest, the cops or just going to keep applying more pressure until you stop or they can get some cuffs on you. Don't resist arrest and your life won't be in danger, because you struggling puts the cops life in danger. Play stupid games, win stupid prize
Anyone know if JPSO uses tazers?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:22 pm to t00f
All he had to do was obey the law
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:23 pm to Hammertime
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It's probably an involuntary reaction to flail around
Yeah you're just trying to survive.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:26 pm to t00f
the woman from the NAACP could barely form coherent sentences while speaking to the media. then, the family attorney said that the march for Keeven would be "on tomorrow".
it was pretty humorous.
it was pretty humorous.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:26 pm to el Gaucho
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All he had to do was obey the law
the point remains that there are very few laws that deserve capital punishment....and almost zero that deserve it doled out by the arresting officer.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:32 pm to rondo
People say this but lots of people on death row and whatnot have a long rap sheet so it just goes to show that crime is a gateway drug
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:34 pm to t00f
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"This family needs, deserves and wants answers as to what happened to Keeven," the family's attorney Hester Hilliard said during the vigil. "This mother needs answers as to why she has to spend Mother's Day grieving over the loss of her child. This father needs answers as to why he can no longer hear his son's laugh."
Here's the answer:
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Robinson, 22, was the target of an undercover drug investigation, suspected of dealing narcotics, Lopinto said Thursday. Robinson fled in his vehicle when he spotted detectives at a Shell station in Old Jefferson near the intersection of Jefferson Highway and Labarre Place.
Robinson wrecked the vehicle and hopped fences before detectives took him into custody during a struggle in the backyard of a home. He stopped breathing during that struggle, Lopinto said.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:35 pm to rondo
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the point remains that there are very few laws that deserve capital punishment....and almost zero that deserve it doled out by the arresting officer.
What? He wasn't executed for being a drug dealer. He was accidentally killed after fleeing from cops first in a vehicle and then on foot jumping fences through a neighborhood. No one doled out capital punishment.
I'm tired of people like you isolating one fact from a case like this and then harping on it and pretending it happened in a vacuum
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:37 pm to LSUFanHouston
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That doesn't explain why he was choked out.
He fled from cops and then he started jumping fences and running on foot. I'd guess he was struggling and resisting arrest when they finally caught him and then died.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:41 pm to t00f
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"This family needs, deserves and wants answers as to what happened to Keeven," the family's attorney Hester Hilliard said during the vigil. "This mother needs answers as to why she has to spend Mother's Day grieving over the loss of her child. This father needs answers as to why he can no longer hear his son's laugh."
Well...he got snuffed out for being a piece of shite criminal.
Simple answer.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:42 pm to jbgleason
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Here is how compressional asphyxia happens in a Use of Force incident. Guy flees so he is already at an elevated heart rate and breathing heavily. Police make contact and guy fights initially. Police fight back while trying to get him handcuffed. Often several officers pile on to overwhelm the suspect. The weight of the people on top starts to compromise the suspects breathing, he begins to struggle to breathe which is interpreted as more fighting against being handcuffed. So they continue to fight back against him struggling wholly unaware that he is fighting to breathe. Contrary to what you see in movies, a person who is suffocating does NOT yell or scream.
That's all true, but I'm not sure how it explains the soft tissue damage around his neck.
It sounds like the suspect was choked to death by hands and/or an arm.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:43 pm to Breesus
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He was accidentally killed after fleeing from cops first in a vehicle and then on foot jumping fences through a neighborhood. No one doled out capital punishment.
If he was accidentally killed it wouldn't be ruled a homicide.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:43 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Homicides can still be justified, but how in the hell given the facts so far were the police in imminent danger? No weapon found.
Who initiated the struggle, the guy wrecking cars and hopping fences, or the cops?
They need body cam footage. If he surrendered in a yard and they still choked him out it’s on them I guess even though all this could have been avoided had he not fled. If he was tackled unwillingly and resisted I can’t see it being homicide if the injuries occurred during a struggle he created
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:45 pm to slackster
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but I'm not sure how it explains the soft tissue damage around his neck.
Kneeling on the neck. Police are told not to do it in the Academy but it is the best way to subdue someone. If you pin someone’s head to the ground there really isn’t a way for them to fight effectively.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:48 pm to jbgleason
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Here is how compressional asphyxia happens in a Use of Force incident. Guy flees so he is already at an elevated heart rate and breathing heavily. Police make contact and guy fights initially. Police fight back while trying to get him handcuffed. Often several officers pile on to overwhelm the suspect. The weight of the people on top starts to compromise the suspects breathing, he begins to struggle to breathe which is interpreted as more fighting against being handcuffed. So they continue to fight back against him struggling wholly unaware that he is fighting to breathe. Contrary to what you see in movies, a person who is suffocating does NOT yell or scream. They don’t have the oxygen. The suspects increased struggling accelerates the depletion of his remaining oxygen and he goes hypoxic followed by cardiac / respiratory arrest. The officers recover from the struggle and only then realize the suspect didn’t give up but rather is in arrest. By then it is too late.
This and the findings of the toxicology report should clear things up.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:48 pm to Breesus
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What? He wasn't executed for being a drug dealer. He was accidentally killed after fleeing from cops first in a vehicle and then on foot jumping fences through a neighborhood.
We don't know that.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:48 pm to Breesus
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He fled from cops and then he started jumping fences and running on foot. I'd guess he was struggling and resisting arrest when they finally caught him and then died.
Did you read the coroner report? You don't need to guess. He had injuries concurrent with external pressure placed on his neck.
I.e., he was placed in a choke hold.
4 cops, one man. If he's resisting arrest, you tackle him and put him in cuffs. If 4 of JPSO's finest can't do that... maybe we need to reevaluate the department.
It's ok to support the blue line and also admit when a mistake was made. This was a mistake.
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