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re: Kaylee Hartung describes her experience with Covid-19

Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:33 am to
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:33 am to
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They are frustrated with their hopefully short-term economic pain and simply can't see anything else.


*hopefully*
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:34 am to
Because people are stupid and inconsiderate of other people. They don't watch the news and so they have no clue what is going on. They refuse to listen and that harms the vulnerable. You have these categories of people.

1. Panic and fear mongers- these people panic and overreact and so they stock up on essentials and yet don't know how to ration. They spread news with fear but don't bother checking the sources. They love to be fearful because it is a drug.

2. Worried and concerned individuals-These folks don't panic or spread fear for stupid reasons and try to fact check all information. They have to buy the essentials in large numbers because the panic and fear mongers are hoarding all the food. These people try or in the process of rationing food. They try to calm people that are very worried.

3. The denier people-These individuals believe it is all an overreaction and it is, "just a flu" when health experts are saying it is not. So they go around telling everyone nothing to worry a bout and it will go away in a few weeks. They will continue doing normal activities when they could be carriers to the old and sick.

4. The ignorant and don't know what is going on crowd-These unfortunately is a large percent of the U.S crowd. They don't watch the news and have no idea on how to prepare for a crisis. They don't stock up on food and when stores run out, they are ones who are losing out. They need to wake up, ask questions and be informed in the real world.
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 11:36 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422599 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:36 am to
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They are frustrated with their hopefully short-term economic pain

hopefully is the key word

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and simply can't see anything else.

the "economic pain" may end up taking more lives

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But to downplay this as just some media-driven overreaction to a cold is either intentionally dense or wildly naive.

the media flipped out over a travel ban with China and then fixated on a narrative about "testing" because it was how they could attack Trump (b/c the CDC dropped the fricking ball and let this get out of hand in the US)

if they had focused on the important stuff initially and supported specific isolation (both domestically and internationally), we wouldn't be nearly as bad off
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167308 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:37 am to
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the "economic pain" may end up taking more lives


It's interesting and concerning that people don't understand this.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112675 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:38 am to
I can work from home I don’t know what 75% of three population is freaking out about
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6553 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:40 am to
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Norbert
The toilet paper enthusiast.

Results of Iceland's general population testing: LINK

1,600 random tests were completed 1% were positive. Half asymptomatic / half mild cold symptoms.

Iceland's total population: 364,620
1% of 364,620 = 3,646
When Iceland records its first death the CFR will be at least 1/3646
That is, at most, .027%

TP hoarders and fearmongers. I am disappoint.

This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 12:36 pm
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:42 am to
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It's interesting and concerning that people don't understand this.



And this is even different from 2008. People weren't quarantined. If you were depressed about getting laid off, your buddy could take you to the baseball game that was still going on and buy you a beer.

Right now he can send you a text and come over and watch Parks and Rec reruns.



But hey, the MBA's and such can work from home so we're all good.
Posted by DeepBlueSea
Member since Jan 2018
773 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:43 am to
I have some real concerns about how well this would work, but it’s nice to see a proposed approach that actually considers all the issues that would affect the quarantined population beyond just avoiding death. As someone who’s immune compromised but nowhere near old, I’m grateful for measures that mitigate the risk ... to a point. That point doesn’t include anything resembling economic collapse or widespread suffering.

We’re still so far behind in our data that it’s really hard to figure out the true cost-benefit analysis, but I’m willing to take one for the team if we’re obviously getting into net-loss territory for everyone else. Hopefully somebody would at least save me a spot in the hospital in the event I need a little help kicking corona’s arse.





Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83939 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:51 am to
“Okay, yeah schools are closed, stores are empty, people aren’t working. I don’t see where the ‘panic’ is though.”

-tOT
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30137 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:56 am to
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3. The denier people-These individuals believe it is all an overreaction and it is, "just a flu" when health experts are saying it is not.


Are these health experts the ones whose budgets or control depend on making this the modern day equivalent of the Black Plague? Or just covering their own asses so they don't get blamed for Aunt Mary's death?
Posted by jpbTiger
Tampa FL
Member since Dec 2007
4979 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:59 am to
Good question- everyone’s probably a little touchy.....
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20024 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 12:10 pm to
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ETA Spare me your own personal interpretation of the statistics as if none of these people or respected organizations and institutions could possibly be having the same thoughts you are and still feel that social distancing is necessary.


They aren’t the ones that have to pay the damn bill. How are they (whoever it is you are referring to) in a position to weigh benefits and costs if they aren’t paying the costs? This shite is already going to cost over $1T in the US alone based on proposed bills. The producers in this country will once again foot that bill. Losing producers is a big deal.

The people on the financial side of this are predicting just as much doom and gloom but we are just ignoring those opinions? The fed chair said yesterday this could lead to 20% unemployment which would be the worst in American history, particularly when just a month ago we were at levels that were best in the country’s history. If we believe worst case projections on either side that is pretty damn severe and you should take it as seriously as you want me to take as the health organizations (who do not in any way consider economic impacts outside of their own agencies).

Luckily, financial impacts are measured by markets, that data is real and readily available. This is having a very real impact in that regard.

quote:

They are frustrated with their hopefully short-term economic pain and simply can't see anything else.


Hopefully is a big word there. You are clearly downplaying the economic impact just as you are accusing those that you disagree with of downplaying the health impact.

The economy is a system, it is built upon and relies on all the industries within it to operate efficiently. One failed component can, and has, brought the whole system down.




Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21291 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 12:13 pm to
I think honestly some have no clue what is going and are assuming at this point. They have to answer questions a bout a virus they know nothing at all. It doesn't help that China is hiding information and so health officials don't have anything to go by. So a lot of guessing and speculation.

It is a get thrown in a fire environment and they are in a lot of pressure studying this virus when they shouldn't have to. That information should be given by China instead of potential false studies with nefarious intent to harm.
Posted by RedPants
GA
Member since Jan 2013
5416 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 12:17 pm to
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It does beg the question why we didn’t just quarantine the old and sick for 3 months, and go for the herd immunity route. Pass some type of law that guarantees they won’t be fired due to absences and give some temporary assistance to those people.


That's close to what the UK is doing and it seem to be working better and they'll likely avoid the dreaded second wave.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20024 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 12:30 pm to
I honestly think we didn’t put proactive measures strictly for higher risk to not hurt feelings. The highest risk people aren’t even in the workforce.

We have known for quite some time those that have the highest risk, contributing to virtually all of the scary numbers, but we are treating everyone the same in terms of distancing.
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