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re: Karen Read murder trial - Not guilty on main - guilty of OUI(DUI) only

Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:11 pm to
Posted by Wiseguy
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:11 pm to
WTH man? Are you hacking my YouTube account? I’ve been watching Emily D Baker for this one. I appreciate her approach to explain and not try to anticipate too much. I can see how she wouldn’t be everybody’s cup of tea. Something about Melanie Little rubs me the wrong way.

And I’m with you Rekieta. What a fall he has had. He was always a (mostly lovable) a-hole, but his coverage of those trials was great because of the other attorneys he had on. It was fun to get their different perspectives. I feel bad for his kids.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22999 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:18 pm to
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WTH man? Are you hacking my YouTube account? I’ve been watching Emily D Baker for this one. I appreciate her approach to explain and not try to anticipate too much. I can see how she wouldn’t be everybody’s cup of tea. Something about Melanie Little rubs me the wrong way.


I watch Andrea Burkhart because she doesn't talk over testimony. My parents were in town a couple of weeks ago. to help me do some outside upgrades, and I made them watch her with me while I worked from home during the day. I had to go to Lowes one night and when I got home my dad mentioned watching LawyerYouKnow while I was gone. My mom also said she has always been pro-prosecution and this helped her look at her reasons for believing that.

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And I’m with you Rekieta. What a fall he has had. He was always a (mostly lovable) a-hole, but his coverage of those trials was great because of the other attorneys he had on. It was fun to get their different perspectives. I feel bad for his kids.

Yes to everything you said. It's a shame.
Posted by CDUBTX
TX
Member since Mar 2022
400 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:27 pm to
Has there been any mention of what looked like an altercation between Higgins/Alberts and JOK a the bar? There’s a video with no sound of what looks like Higgins talking shite and pointing a finger at JOK multiple times as he leaves the bar. Are there no witnesses to verify this?
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
96763 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 10:17 pm to
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CDUBTX


Yea they covered it but didn’t provide an explanation. Plus it’s not evidence of a cover up but does raise questions.

I’m honestly surprised they didn’t find any “I have a beef with so n so” in OJO’s phone. You think at least one of them was talking shite in text.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
18780 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:04 am to
It's been mentioned. I don't think there's much more to it other than guys being dudes messing around at the bar.

The whole "Higgins wanted O'Keefe dead so he could get with Karen" argument does nothing for me, just like the "Karen was unhappy in the relationship so she wanted O'Keefe dead" argument does nothing for me as well. They are focusing on "proof beyond reasonable doubt" instead of the third party culprit aspect.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 8:10 am
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6622 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:45 am to
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The whole "Higgins wanted O'Keefe dead so he could get with Karen" argument does nothing for me, just like the "Karen was unhappy in the relationship so she wanted O'Keefe dead" argument does nothing for me as well. They are focusing on "proof beyond reasonable doubt" instead of the third party culprit aspect.


Agreed. My take this is all about the Alberts and their dipshit nephew. Also I would not rule out JOK's idiot brother.

There was some power play going on and JOK lost and KR was a good patsy. It seems it was somewhat premeditated too because they were relying on that storm to assist them.

I also do not think JOK is as wonderful as everyone says he was. I think if they dig into it after this trial they will find that he was trying to take power from the Alberts or was going to turn on them. The idiot brother going after KR to me seems like part of the cover up.

My 2 cents. We will see.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
18780 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 5:45 am to
Turtleboy is hinting at ACCA getting called today. Setting up to be the defense’s last witness imo.
This post was edited on 6/6/25 at 5:47 am
Posted by CDUBTX
TX
Member since Mar 2022
400 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 7:55 am to
I understand what you’re saying but any guy who watches that recognizes its significance. He’s pointing his finger talking shite to someone multiple times the night someone dies and has to be somewhat held back. It’s by no means proof of some sort of conspiracy but it adds to the long list of reasons why anyone with half a brain should find reasonable doubt. I have no clue if she killed him or not but the list of things that say otherwise vs her running him over aren’t even close.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 8:27 am to
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I have no clue if she killed him or not


She didn’t

Brian Higgins was jealous and drunk. John kissed Karen on the forehead right in front of him minutes before the actions in that video. He wanted to confront John maybe rough him up. No one claims anyone had intentions to kill John o’Keefe and it was an accident. However, the cover up that followed was the real crime and will never be solved unless someone comes forward with the truth.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 8:32 am to
The first ARCCA employee is currently on the stand.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 8:38 am to
Dr. Wolfe just testified that not only was the outer lenses was broken but the diffusers under the outer lenses were also broken. John O’Keefe’s arm would not have broken those diffusers!

This trial is a sham throw out the damn case judge.
Posted by wileyjones
Member since May 2014
2715 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 8:55 am to
why cant the defense say he was hired by the fbi
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 8:58 am to
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why cant the defense say he was hired by the fbi


The judge won’t allow it but other witnesses have mentioned the FBI.

Brennan wants to make sure the trial is fair to the commonwealth, and the fbi hiring ARCCA could be prejudicial to the commonwealth
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
18780 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 9:03 am to
Because there is a worry that mentioning the FBI would open the doors to speculation on the federal investigation which no one knows to details to. I somewhat understand that reasoning, but the defense should 100% be able to make it clear that ARCCA was not originally hired by the defense.
Posted by BrewDrees95
Member since Jan 2021
467 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 9:45 am to
The objections being sustained are insane
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9756 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 9:54 am to
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Brennan wants to make sure the trial is fair to the commonwealth


Brennan wants to get his bag and gtfo. He can't handle the truth and knows his case in chief wasn't good enough so he is trying to save face now.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87342 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 10:16 am to
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but the defense should 100% be able to make it clear that ARCCA was not originally hired by the defense.
Absolutely.
Posted by 10tiger
Member since Jan 2021
278 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 10:17 am to
I agree 110%. I don’t know if it was hubris or greed but I find it hard to believe that a seasoned defense attorney like Brennan couldnt see the holes in the case. Either he did and doesn’t care because of the pay day or he thought he could still outsmart it.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87342 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 11:19 am to
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 11:31 am to
This testimony from Dr. Wolfe is blowing this case out of the universe. Welcher might say the Lexus is getting launched into space!

The prosecution should be investigated after this the judge should be investigated and the mass state police should be investigated!
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