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re: Karen Read murder trial - Not guilty on main - guilty of OUI(DUI) only

Posted on 6/17/25 at 1:27 pm to
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/17/25 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

Vinnie interviewed some jurors, he said. They were unanimous on the main charge, but couldn't agree on the others and didn't understand the verdict form. They didn't end up giving a verdict on anything, even those charges they agreed on.



This almost seems criminal. Of course I don't know the laws there, but Bev isn't making it easy for the jury.
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
5257 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 1:28 pm to
No the 2nd count. Specifically the last (5th) charge on Count 2.

This is where they are and why they're worried about her being recharged on ALL of count 2.

If 2, 3, and 4 had Not Guilty next to them, we wouldn't be here.

This post was edited on 6/17/25 at 1:33 pm
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122172 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 1:36 pm to
This is what happens after a 2nd mistrial..

quote:

The Prosecutor’s Discretion After a Second Mistrial
Following a second mistrial, the decision to pursue a third trial rests almost entirely with the prosecuting attorney. This choice involves a careful strategic review of the case and the two previous trials, considering both the duty to seek justice and the practical realities of litigation. Several factors influence this important decision:

The numerical breakdown of the jury votes in both trials. A prosecutor will analyze if the split moved closer to conviction, as a shift from 7-5 for acquittal to 10-2 for conviction might encourage a third attempt.
The strength of the evidence and whether it can be presented more persuasively or if new evidence has become available.
The financial cost of mounting another trial, as trials consume substantial government resources and personnel time.
The severity of the alleged crime. Prosecutors are more likely to retry a serious violent felony than a minor offense, driven by public safety concerns.
Ultimately, the prosecutor must weigh the public interest in securing a conviction against the probability of success. This includes considering the cumulative toll on the defendant and the judicial system.
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
6966 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 1:36 pm to
That's exactly how I would turn it in to the judge!!!! It's ridiculous the form doesn't allow for that.


This post was edited on 6/17/25 at 1:38 pm
Posted by CrappyPants
Member since Apr 2021
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Posted on 6/17/25 at 1:43 pm to
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This almost seems criminal. Of course I don't know the laws there, but Bev isn't making it easy for the jury.


I'm telling you. The judge wants her to be found guilty. Look at the prejudice she showed the defense but not the prosecution. She shouldn't be on the bench. She's a terrible judge.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
49636 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 1:50 pm to
I would think the defense team has been tempted to bang their heads against the walls during this case. It might give me PTSD.
Posted by 10tiger
Member since Jan 2021
282 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 1:52 pm to
I will admit I had no idea how much leg work it took to get someone a fair trial. Absolute insanity.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/17/25 at 1:56 pm to
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I will admit I had no idea how much leg work it took to get someone a fair trial. Absolute insanity.


I would hope that this case is not the norm
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80526 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 2:07 pm to
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I would hope that this case is not the norm


It's not the norm, but Rittenhouse was similar, as was Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and Baldwin was going down that road until the mistrial with prejudice.
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
6966 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 2:09 pm to
Rittenhouse was insane.. But I liked that old judge.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80526 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 2:10 pm to
Don't get brazen with me!
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26702 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

I will admit I had no idea how much leg work it took to get someone a fair trial. Absolute insanity.


I have watched a LOT of trials and I was the foreman on a fairly prominent rape case many years ago…she is arguably the 2nd worst judge towards a defense I’ve ever seen.

Our judge, she’s now on the Georgia Supreme Court, was awesome to both sides and the victim. She was incredible to the jurors too. She did a Q&A with us afterwards. She even sent me a card afterwards offering to speak at any event I needed, school/public event/etc

Bev is a total POS and bordering the POS up in New York that screwed over DJT


PS - our verdict sheet was extremely easy to read and each of the 5 charges were separate and included a box for Guilty and Not Guilty, with Not Guilty being written first
This post was edited on 6/17/25 at 2:12 pm
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80526 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 2:12 pm to
Sounds like they are returning
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15075 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 2:12 pm to
people are headed to the courthouse!

ETA: never mind false alarm
This post was edited on 6/17/25 at 2:17 pm
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26702 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 2:15 pm to
Reporter:

in the hallway I saw Karen Read and I said "those are good questions," to which she replied "Uhhhh yea, you think."
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80526 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 2:16 pm to
Jury returning at 3:25pm allegedly
Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
16383 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 2:17 pm to
If they only believe she drove drunk, would they just leave everything blank but the last option, marking that as guilty?
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
5257 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 2:17 pm to
Yes but the problem is they were evidently hung on that last one.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80526 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

If they only believe she drove drunk, would they just leave everything blank but the last option, marking that as guilty?


Yes, the issue would be if they were hung on the OUI.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26702 posts
Posted on 6/17/25 at 2:22 pm to
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Yes but the problem is they were evidently hung on that last one


Well, the jury’s last question was “if we find her not guilty on 2 of the charges, but hung on others, are we hung on the full 2nd charge”

Which the bitch responded, I’m not going to discuss theoreticals

That could put motor vehicle homicide in play for being hung, as that’s the 3rd charge on page 2
This post was edited on 6/17/25 at 2:23 pm
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