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Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:16 am to 10tiger
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The third question tells me there is major confusion on the verdict form and I would hope the foreman would go to the judge and explain their verdict and make sure they have it filled out correctly before turning it in.
This is EXACTLY why the Defense team wanted Not Guilty next to each line on charge 2.
We'd already have a verdict of Bev had not been so ridiculous on this.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:17 am to 10tiger
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Initially I thought this but she admitted to drinking and driving on the video. Maybe that’s all they are asking
I think this is why the asked. She admitted having drinks so there is an argument on the BAC test and if she was drunk at midnight or if she had more drinks after getting back to John's.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:18 am to MFn GIMP
Why wasn't Higgins charged?
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:19 am to AlxTgr
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Bev is confused by 3, as am I.
Not confusing at all. The jury is making sure if they put guilty for OUI, Karen can't get convicted for Manslaughter which is the main charge on Count 2.
This post was edited on 6/17/25 at 10:20 am
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:21 am to AlxTgr
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Why wasn't Higgins charged?
He's a cop.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:24 am to Saintsisit
quote:And yet Bev and I were both confused by it and she needs input from counsel.
Not confusing at all.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:29 am to AlxTgr
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And yet Bev and I were both confused by it and she needs input from counsel.
Well, Bev is either a moron or corrupt, so I'm not shocked she needs counsel on her own dubious form.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:29 am to AlxTgr
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And yet Bev and I were both confused by it and she needs input from counsel.
I think the issue is that the jury is asking, pretty plainly, if a sub charge conviction means a manslaughter conviction. However, the law, and the jury verdict form, is anything but clear. There are only options for "Guilty" and "Not Guilty of the main charge and any lesser included charges" and then guilty for each lesser included. So if you can't say "not guilty of the main + lesser included" you can't say not guilty on the main charge.
It's one of the reasons the defense fought to update the form to be more clear.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:34 am to 10tiger
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Initially I thought this but she admitted to drinking and driving on the video. Maybe that’s all they are asking.
Yep they are asking if that is evidence that she was drunk
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:34 am to MFn GIMP
Yup
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:36 am to AlxTgr
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And yet Bev and I were both confused by it and she needs input from counsel.
To put yourself on the same page as Bev in this, is not the point you think it is.
If you had paid attention to the initial arguments on how Count 2's slip was laid out, the question wouldn't be confusing at all.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:38 am to Saintsisit
If you think the question, as written, wasn't confusing, you're lying 
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:38 am to Saintsisit
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:39 am to Gris Gris
I just asked ChatGPT. It says over 27 hrs over 5 days.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:40 am to AlxTgr
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If you think the question, as written, wasn't confusing, you're lying
I've paid attention to the whole trial, and I knew exactly what they meant when she read it.
Its obvious if you watched AJ arguing how Count 2s slip was laid out.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:41 am to OweO
Jackson's point about wording stating the jury should move on if not guilty is exactly how civil trials are done here.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:44 am to AlxTgr
No mic where Brennen is speaking from. No idea what he's saying.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:45 am to AlxTgr
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No mic where Brennen is speaking from. No idea what he's saying.
He disagreed with Jackson, shocking I know, and said that he thinks the verdict form is clear.
It's obviously not clear if the jury had to ask a question about it.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:45 am to MFn GIMP
She's amending.
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