re: Judge vacates Adnan Syed's conviction and orders a new trial

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Sarah Koenig is exactly what I picture when I think of an ultra liberal feminist SJW

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Too bad the show wasn't produced by a ultra conservative. It would've been shorter.

Your host: He's guilty. Never question authority.

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It's just such a stretch imo that Jay either made up all the shite he did about Adnan,

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I don't see how you can dismiss the fact - and it is a fact, not a slant - that Jay changed his story with every successive interview and statement. Sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt, which version of his multiple stories do you accept as the truth?

And yes the podcast had an agenda. Serial did too, but Undisclosed actually broke new investigative ground.

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I don't think he's credible, but I also don't think he made it up out of thin air.

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Exactly.

Adnon motive? ... Clear cut

Jay motive? ... Crickets

We'll never know why Jay's story meandered and changed, but it should be pretty clear that One of those 2 killed her, and I'm pretty comfortable with pinning it on the 1 of the 2 that had a clear motive to kill her.

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Well, again, his motives are irrelevant. The issue is one of reasonable doubt. I don't know whether Adnan killed his girlfriend or not. I am sure, based on what I've learned about the case, that the state did not prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

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No shite. Read my first post in this thread.

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Two women

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Yea I was tempted to add something about the other one, but I'd say that was probably more from the guilt that she actually did it than nancy grace.

The woman I posted about fricked up, but it appears that that child's death was a complete accident.

The woman who offed herself in 2006 all but admitted to the killing of her kid in the nancy grace interview and then killed herself a week or two before she was named the prime suspect.


The one I posted about would be akin to Nancy Grace calling a person who accidentally left their kid in a hot car a cold blooded murderer who deserves life in prison/the chair.

I don't think anyone in this thread is arguing that guilty was the correct verdict based on the presented evidence and the legal burden of proof.

What about the janitor that found the body? He always raised suspicion to me.

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He looks guilty in this photo

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Your comedy is subtle, but does not go unnoticed.

y findings from Undisclosed that Serial missed

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This means Summer’s recollection of the date is inaccurate, and Becky, a mutual friend of both Syed and Lee, would have been the last person to see Lee alive when she was heading to her car after school at 2:15 p.m.

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If her body was contorted for four to five hours after death, Lee should have displayed some lividity on her side. But according to the autopsy report, lividity was “present and fixed on the anterior surface of the body, except in areas exposed to pressure." Several medical experts who viewed the report provided by Undisclosed said Hae’s lividity indicates that she was placed face down and stretched out soon after her death and remained in that position for at least eight to 12 hours before being buried.

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But the biggest problem I have is with this...

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Several times during the meetings, Wilds seems to transpose events in his narrative or pause for significant periods of time. It is during these moments when a tapping sound is heard and Wilds then corrects his statement or suddenly remembers an answer, followed by an apology to the detectives. “There’s a ‘tap tap,’ and then Jay says, ‘Oh, okay’,” Simpson explains in one episode. “And suddenly a moment later — he knows the answer.” According to Undisclosed, the tapping infers that the detectives were doing so in an attempt to guide Wilds to what they believed to be the correct answer.

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